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Segway inventor makes revolutionary hybrid/sterling engine car.

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    Dean Kamen is on another level of awesome...

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    Revolutionary auto already on the road

    By SHAWNE K. WICKHAM
    New Hampshire Sunday News Staff
    Sunday, Nov. 9, 2008
    MANCHESTER – The same day that Ford and General Motors announced catastrophic third-quarter losses, Dean Kamen was showing off his new electric car.

    The prototype vehicle, a zippy two-seat hatchback designed with more than a passing resemblance to the Volkswagen Beetle, can go about 60 miles on a single charge of its lithium battery and with practically zero emissions.

    The secret?

    "It's the world's first Stirling hybrid electric car," its inventor said with a flourish.

    Installed in the car's trunk compartment is a Stirling engine invented at DEKA, Kamen's technology company in the Manchester Millyard. It powers the features that would normally drain huge power from the battery, notably the defroster and heater.

    That leaves the battery primarily for propulsion. "You're running a pure electric, which is enormously cheaper to operate and enormously more environmentally friendly," Kamen explained.

    And if the battery does run low, the Stirling can recharge it, so you'll never get stranded, he said. That's why Kamen calls his Stirling engine "an insurance policy" for the electric car.

    Kamen showed off his state registration for his new car, listed as a 2008 DEKA Revolt. "I'm a car manufacturer!" he grinned. "It's so exciting!"

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    Wikipedia: The Sterling engine

    Are Americans ready?


    A vanity plate reads "REVOLT" -- which Kamen points out goes particularly well with the state's motto, "Live Free or Die."
    So, are Americans -- still stunned by gas prices that spiked last summer -- finally ready to embrace the electric car?
    Kamen said it takes time for what starts out as a novelty to become accepted; that's what happened with the cell phone and the personal computer. "And then suddenly, 10 years later, it becomes an instant overnight success and what was once indefensible becomes indispensable.

    "And that's progress."

    For his prototype, Kamen used a recycled version of the Ford Think, an electric car that was discontinued in 2000. A group of Norwegian investors is interested in producing its own version. "They gave it to us so we could experiment with it and see if it could do what we hope it would do, and so far it's looking pretty good," he said.

    Kamen is in "conversation" with the Norwegians about producing the car he's invented. But he's not looking for an exclusive arrangement; he's hoping they'll be only "the first among many" to embrace his Stirling-electric hybrid technology.

    Solving problems


    He ticks off the advantages of the Stirling engine as a backup system: It can use any fuel, from biodiesel to natural gas; it burns clean; it can even be programmed to turn on so the battery and car are all warmed up by the time you get in.

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    Dean Kamen drives his electric car behind the DEKA building in the Millyard of Manchester. (MARK BOLTON)

    Kamen hopes his car could be in production within two years. He doesn't know how much it would cost, but the goal is to make it affordable for average consumers, he said. And he expects some components will be made in New Hampshire.

    But Kamen, who calls himself an "eternal optimist," is not optimistic that the struggling American carmakers will embrace this new technology. Most big companies seem to misconstrue Darwin's ideas about which species survive, he contends.

    "I think what Darwin really was saying was: It's not the fittest, not the smartest, not the strongest; it's the ones that can adapt to change. And big industries that have long histories, particularly successful long histories, and a lot of ingrained infrastructure become the least adaptable to change.

    "And when a disruptive opportunity comes along, they are the last that are capable of dealing with it."

    Still, Kamen believes the energy crisis created just that sort of opportunity. "And no matter what happens to the short-term price of oil or availability of oil, the fact is there are better technologies around now that are getting more attractive all the time, to move us out of the 19th century model of propulsion for vehicles into a 21st century model."

    Kamen said he already has had conversations with "supporters" of Barack Obama, "about the fact that this (energy) situation could be a blessing in disguise.

    "In every problem, there lies an opportunity," he said. "And frankly, we suddenly have a lot of opportunity."

    He would urge the President-elect "to try to dispassionately look at the real issues and the real alternatives," he said. "And some of them have a little short-term pain associated with them, but in the long run everybody wins. "And I would work hard to make sure that the public understands that, and that you have the vision and the courage to make sure that the choices we make are the long-term good choices, not the politically expedient ones."

    Long-range benefit


    But Kamen contends the biggest challenge facing the country isn't energy or even the economic crisis. "It's getting more kids that are going to soon be responsible for the prosperity, wealth-creation and security of this country to be more technically competent, and more technically passionate, and enthusiastic about solving the big problems of the future. And that, of course, is what FIRST is all about."

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    Dean Kamen, owner of DEKA Research and Development Corp., discusses the details of the electric car with a stirling engine behind the DEKA building in the Millyard area of Manchester on Friday afternoon. (MARK BOLTON)

    As he so often does, Kamen has turned the conversation to FIRST, the now-international robotics competition he created 16 years ago to inspire students around science and technology. It's one of his true passions.

    Another passion is using his inventions -- a water purifier and his Stirling engine -- toward the betterment of some of the planet's poorest people. Kamen calls it "a moral imperative that the poorest people of the world can at least access a little bit of clean water and power."

    It's also in America's self-interest to help them do so, Kamen insists.
    "To me it's pretty obvious . . . that becoming a source of knowledge and health and wealth in the world is in our economic best-interest, it's in our security best interest, it's in our moral and ethical best interest. There's no downside in creating a world where all people can be happy."

    And the alternative is not acceptable, he said: "We don't help four billion people out of abject poverty and disease, we don't make them customers, we don't make them suppliers . . . And they become desperate and angry, and people with nothing to lose and reason to hate -- and there's four billion of them."

    Back to that electric car? It's all part of Kamen's master plan.

    "The car is a step along the way to be able to build, in high volume, high-quality, low-cost electric generation for a couple billion people," he explained.

    "If we can demonstrate the utility of the Stirling engine by putting it in a car . . . it will leave me with an engine that I can use to supply electricity to the world."
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Funny how as soon as these solutions start coming out Oil drops dramatically and gas is under $2 a gallon.

    We need to commit to this technology and leave Oil far in the dust.

    DD
     
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    Without trying to get into D&D range, this is what should be happening with the GM situation. There should be a deal set in place with GM that they can be bailed out if and only if they have an electric car available to the average consumer, within say, the next 8 years.
     
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    Screw that...2 years.....they can do it if properly motivated.

    DD
     
  5. Dr of Dunk

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    Well... considering they're trying to bring the Volt out in the next 2... and if they don't get bailed out by then, they'll be dead anyway. Not to mention the further trainwreck them dying will cause to jobs in America and the economy (again). I hate that they're probably going to get bailed out, but ...
     
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    True that.. GM is a horribly run business and I think horrible businesses should be allowed to just fail. But I see the huge problems that may cause so let's only give help to GM IF they show signs of potential. Right now, they haven't shown me anything.
     
  7. Nero

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    I was curious when I saw the word 'Stirling' in the heading, as a real Stirling Engine is a self-sufficient motorized solar electricity generator LOL

    I want to get a couple for my backyard some day, but I don't know how well they would work in a car. Heheh

    Anyway, it is good to see more and more things like this coming out - not because of any particular 'need' to get off of a 'dependency on oil' (do people realize that every plastic or vinyl thing they see and use is derived from petroleum??) but simply because when something *better* comes along, the market will eventually move there, people will embrace it, and things will change.

    The problem comes when entities such as governments try to mandate market developments, and it just doesn't work.
     
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    You're right, it has nothing to do with a global recession that has reduced consumption dramatically.
     
  9. Christopher

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    Don't you get the feeling that the first company to get the right mix and produce an electric or alternative fuel car that people like and want to buy is going to sell hundreds of millions of them.

    Right now these cars are a bit odd and not really what people want, but there will come a point that a car comes out that is the right mix and what fuel it uses is not really an issue.
     
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    No I don't. The first company will have a market advantage and nothing more. The intensity of competition will be off the charts.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Of course it does, but this same thing happened in the 70s, whenever GM started looking at making electrical cars Oil prices plummetted....and it no longer became viable.

    DD
     
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    See I think the competition will only jump into the mix when one company is making a crap load of money and the rest of them FINALLY realize there is a real market for these cars.

    I think we'll see an "Ipod" style boom for one company that gets it right, and then we'll see others jump into the market late.
     
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    The market is right for this though....people have seen gas go to $4 a galloon and are now going....wait, what else is out there.

    This is the time to move away from gasoline......

    DD
     
  14. Lil Pun

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    I'm with DD, we need a major push for a major shift especially in this country.
     
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    They need to divide the roads for these tiny, electric cars and those large gas-suckers. Hell if I'm going to drive some tiny electric car with these big gas guzzlers on the road. To me, that's the biggest issue in adapting these smaller vehicles that run on fuel cells. You get plowed in one of these things by a 4 ton gas guzzler...and you will be lucky to be found in one piece let alone survive.

    If they had lanes only for these small cars, then I would do it. But, no way am I doing it when I have to share the road with regular and over-sized cars, trucks, and 18 wheelers. Screw that.
     
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    That is a great point.....open up the HOV lanes to anyone in an electric car.

    DD
     
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    Since the big three are doing so bad I don't think they will have the chance to squash innovation like they have in the past.
     
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    I don't think this is having much if any effect on the price of oil right now. Even if some miracle alternative fuel fell out of the sky tomorrow, it will take 10+ years to build new cars, convert old cars, and build an infrastructure.

    Prices are dropping because global demand is dropping. Once we get out of this recession in the next few years, oil prices will be back to $100+/barrel.
     
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    See this is the fallacy of that argument, it does not take 10 years to do the infastructure.....if it is supported.

    And, build something that utilizes the current infastructure, these combo cars that use very small engines and run on battery power continue to use the current infastructure.

    Build those, while we get up and running for pure electric.

    DD
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    Amory Lovins estimates that it'll take 30 years for a full fleet conversion...if we start now.
     

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