Serious question here. I've read several articles that said the the voter turnout was similar to the last election and the black and young votes were only slightly higher. As much hype as this election got why weren't the numbers dramatically higher?
My guess is that there was a large number of Republicans who couldn't bring themselves to vote for McCain & Palin, and they just stayed home.
Voter turnout where? A lot of people realize that the battleground states are the ones where the election will be decided. Seventy five percent of states aren't in play and that obviously plays a role in turnout. I would be surprised if voter turnout were not higher in PA or Ohio, Florida, and such.
This is correct - I don't know where I saw it anymore, but basically, Democrats turned out at record numbers, but Republicans did not turn out very much at all, so the end numbers were similar to 2004 in percentage terms.
The youth vote WAS actually higher? I thought the Dems just got a higher % with no actual % increase in youth turnout. Was it the same taking into account population increase?
Most states did not experience higher % turnout, but it was still not a record % only a record in raw numbers. The top five states with increased turnout % from 2004 to 2008 are North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama and Indiana. All states with a high black population with the exception of Indiana. States with low black population only changed slightly.
The electoral college makes voting for the opposition for president in committed states a waste of time.
Every election the media predicts record turnouts. The same people vote at every election. The same people say they will vote and never vote. And the same people use excuses why they didn't vote. Very little changed this election although the democrats want you to believe their is a sweeping change towards liberalism. Its the moderates and independents that decide the election, not the party loyalist.
This isn't necessarily true. The Dem primary was a sort of "all-out vote" in the sense that there was proportional allocation rather than winner-take-all. Obama showed what could be done by losing all the big states while running up huge margins in the smaller states. He lost CA, TX, NY, and FL, but still won the popular vote.
It was a slightly higher percentage, I believe (18% from 17%). But the big difference was the ideological shift. The last 8-10 elections, the youth vote has generally matched the national vote within a couple of points either way. This time, it was substantially more democratic than the overall vote. So either there was a huge lurch towards Dems with the youth vote (that didn't exist even in 2004, for example), or the Republican youth vote simply didn't turnout while you saw record high Dem youth vote. Not sure which is the case.
Maybe I was wrong about the youth vote, but I could have sworn I heard it wasn't that much more than previous years. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27562023/ Young voter turnout likely sets new record About 50 percent of those ages 18-28 voted, early reports show Voters cast their vote at a polling place in University Park Elementary School in University Park, Md., Tuesday, Nov. 4. An estimated 24 million Americans ages 18 to 29 cast their ballots, an increase in youth turnout by at least 2.2 million over 2004, according to CIRCLE, a non-partisan organization. Young Americans can finally shake off their reputation for civic apathy. Young people appear to have voted in higher numbers than ever before, preliminary reports show. And analysts say this demographic’s heavy tilt toward Barack Obama was a determining factor in his historic victory. An estimated 24 million Americans ages 18 to 29 voted in this election, an increase in youth turnout by at least 2.2 million over 2004, reports CIRCLE, a non-partisan organization that promotes research on the political engagement of young Americans. That puts youth turnout somewhere between 49.3 and 54.5 percent, meaning 19 percent more young people voted this year than in 2004, estimates John Della Volpe, the director of polling for the Harvard Institute of Politics. And that’s a conservative estimate, Della Volpe says. “It looks like the highest turnout among young people we’ve ever had,” says Della Volpe, adding that 12 percent more Americans in the overall electorate voted. The youth share of the vote also rose to 18 percent — a one-percent increase over the last three presidential elections. Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here “But I think one of the biggest stories is not so much the turnout but the balance of Obama versus McCain among young people — it’s pretty extraordinary,” says Peter Levine, the director for CIRCLE. Exit polls show 66 percent of voters ages 18 to 29 preferred Obama and 32 percent preferred McMain. The gap closed among those ages 30 to 44 who preferred Obama 52 percent to McCain’s 46 percent. Among those ages 45 to 64, the vote was fairly evenly split between the candidates. Fifty three percent of voters 65 and older leaned toward McCain, compared to 45 percent who supported Obama. “The reason he won the majority (of the overall vote) was the strong showing from voters 18 to 29. If you subtracted some of their turnout, or if you raised the voting age to 21, it’s a much closer race — or maybe he loses.” 'Driving force' Della Volpe estimates that Obama won the youth vote by 8.3 or 8.4 million — and he won the overall popular vote by about 8 million. “Young people, no question, were the driving force behind this election,” Della Volpe says. In North Carolina, Obama won the youth vote by nearly 50 points, with 73 points over John McCain’s 27. He lost every other age group in that state. “That turned the state from red to blue,” Della Volpe says. (NBC News has not yet projected a winner in the close presidential race in North Carolina.) That same kind of wide margin also applied to Indiana, where he won the youth vote 63 to 35 — and again, lost every other age group. “And this is a state where John Kerry lost the youth vote in 2004,” says Della Volpe. Overall, Obama won 4 1/2 times the number of youth votes Kerry won in 2004. “The difference is the margins — that’s what Obama deserves credit for,” Della Volpe says. “Young people were going to turn out anyway. He took that passion, that excitement, and really mobilized it.” For Democratic party or only Obama? Historically, young voters have never before been so solidly united under a single party, says Levine. In fact, the trend for years — here in the U.S. and internationally — has been for younger voters to consider themselves more independent. The question now is: Was it truly a tilt toward the Democratic party, or did the excitement belong solely to Obama? “Young people have in at least the last 10 years have been pretty resistant to identify with any party,” Levine says. “I think it’s an open question whether Obama will try to and whether Obama will succeed in translating his support to the party.” There is a possibility that these young people will continue to align themselves with the Democratic party. A comparable election is when Ronald Reagan was elected in 1984, gaining a large chunk of the youth vote; most of those young people continued to consistently vote Republican decades later. Click for related content Youth vote may have been key in Obama's win This election season seems to have seen a surge in young people eager to immerse themselves in political involvement, perhaps especially those involved in campaigning efforts for Obama. Sarah Crisman of Dallas, 29, has spent the better part of the last 19 months devoted to the Obama campaign. And now that the election is over, she doesn’t plan to stop her volunteer efforts. In February 2007, Crisman joined what was then a 100-person meet-up group for Obama, which by Election Day had ballooned into Obama Dallas, a 7,500-person strong grassroots volunteer organization to help campaign for the now president-elect. At an election party Tuesday night, the group’s leaders announced that the organization had a new name: The Progressive Center of Dallas. “We're not just going to twiddle their thumbs; we’re going to stay together, we’re going to keep moving, we’re going to keep working,” Crisman says. “It’s not over. This has changed my life; I’m not going to let this die out.”
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008_voter_turnout_same_as_2004_/ 2008 Voter Turnout Same as 2004 James Joyner | Friday, November 7, 2008 It turns out that, despite a huge rise in voter registrations, actual turnout Tuesday was essentially the same as in 2004. 61 Percent of Eligibles Voted A new report from American University’s Center for the Study of the American Electorate concludes that voter turnout in Tuesday’s election was the same in percentage terms as it was four years ago — or at most has risen by less than 1 percent. The report released Thursday estimates that between 126.5 and 128.5 million Americans cast ballots in the presidential election earlier this week. Those figures represent 60.7 percent or, at most, 61.7 percent of those eligible to vote in the country. Democrat Showed Up, Republicans Stayed Home “A downturn in the number and percentage of Republican voters going to the polls seemed to be the primary explanation for the lower than predicted turnout,” the report said. Compared to 2004, Republican turnout declined by 1.3 percentage points to 28.7 percent, while Democratic turnout increased by 2.6 points from 28.7 percent in 2004 to 31.3 percent in 2008. “Many people were fooled (including this student of politics although less so than many others) by this year’s increase in registration (more than 10 million added to the rolls), citizens’ willingness to stand for hours even in inclement weather to vote early, the likely rise in youth and African American voting, and the extensive grassroots organizing network of the Obama campaign into believing that turnout would be substantially higher than in 2004,” Curtis Gans, the center’s director, said in the report. “But we failed to realize that the registration increase was driven by Democratic and independent registration and that the long lines at the polls were mostly populated by Democrats.” Electoral College Pitfalls Some experts also note that national turnout trends may mask higher turnout in swing states with more intensive attempts by both campaigns to get their supporters to the polls. Several large states, including California and New York, had no statewide races and virtually no advertising or get-out-the-vote efforts by either presidential campaign. We’ll get more data in the coming weeks and months and be able to assess this more accurately. Democrats, especially young and African-American Democrats in swing states, were extremely energized in this election but Republicans, whether because of lack of enthusiasm for John McCain or because the polls made the outcome seem inevitable, were not. Further, the Electoral College system, which renders the presidential vote in most states essentially irrelevant, makes it hard to justify bothering. If you’re a Republican in California or D.C. or a Democrat in Texas or Alabama, your vote simply doesn’t count. So, unless you’re spurred by civic pride or down ballot elections, it’s hard to get motivated.
President isn't the only thing being voted for. It was a "waste of time" to vote for McCain in Minnesota, but the senate vote certainly wasn't a waste of time.
Those numbers by Mr. Gans are still changing. You can, have an increase of 10 million registered voters, and voter turnout % be the same. That's because the total number of increased voters may be larger. In 2004, 122.3 million people voted. In 2008, Mr. Gans estimated 126.5 and 128.5 million. That's an increase of 4.2 million to 6.2 million voters. That's about 42-62% of the new registrations. If you take into account, 2004 republican voters who didn't vote in 2008, but whose numbers were surpassed by new voters. It maybe closer to 70%. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/voter-turnout-not-near-a-record-yethfo/