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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dave feitl, Mar 29, 2002.

  1. dave feitl

    dave feitl Member

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    Remember in the past, Rudy would give his guys a talking to about being a leader and defense-and they would do it.We haven't seen that respect for Rudy in a long time.Last year, I remember Rudy and Dream having a talk and Dream coming alive.Dream had respect for Rudy and knew a superstar steps up when challenged.When will Rudy affect these new guys in that way, will he ever?

    Rudy's system lacks, and Rudy has always try to maximize the talents his players have, but these guys, have the talent you can't coach: jumping,driving,and dribbling.Maybe these guys think that is what it will take to get to the next level.But execution is the key!They never talk about that,they never praise Rudy like we were use to hearing.Do they doubt Rudy's system, or do they worry too much about being a superstar?Do they not trust in Rudy,the way a player must trust in their coach? Can they respond out of respect?

    Are these the guys we need for the future?Yes, Rudy included.However, if these guys can't be leaders,how can Rudy?
    By taking over the way he should.Sit some guys down when they do stupid stuff.Get in their faces and show them they have teammates, and they must trust in them!I like Cat, but this team will only progress if he is utilized as a third scorer.His shot selection is just horrible.Rudy has to stop him from taking bad shots and taking over Steve's mind.I feel Steve will become even better when we get a low post threat and will begin to pass more, trust in his teammates more and realize that if you want to be successful in this league you cannot live off of the jump shot!I wonder if it ever got nasty between Rudy and Steve who would go?If Steve cannot trust in Rudy and respond to his challenges, who will he respond to?

    In this offseason I see the rockets adding a better scorer down low and if we have to get rid of Mobley, we've got to do it!If we get a big guy who can score in here, we can't have Mobley trying to jack up any stupid shot just because he has the ball.I can live with it this year, but this must be the last!If Cat will accept the role of third scorer, keep him.These guys have to find an identity and run with it.Rudy is the only guy with the knowledge of these players to help them realize what kind of team they must be to be successful.But if he can't, he may have to go.

    But before that we have to try something new.Next year, Steve a leader, Cat is not.A Big veteran and Steve, that would be my ideal leaders and if we have to trade Mobley to get that player,so be it.We need to.I'm anxious to see if Rudy really believes that Steve is the leader for the future and if he will make this team better by any means necessary, which means getting rid of the Steve's pals and making the Rockets better.Maybe Steve will realize that changes must be made, and Rudy has two rings because he wants his players to be their best,and if that means giving up his pal to win, that's what the rockets need to do.Either way some changes will have to take place soon that way Rudy and Steve will both be here for a long time and the rockets will be a contender again.
     
  2. Hydra

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    Dave,

    Even the other Mobley hatas have acknowledged that he is playing better. Why can't you? He is the best scorer on the team. He plays better defense than Francis. The only real knock on him is his passing skills. IMO he was the MVP on the Rockets this season. We have him signed long term to a low price contract. If anyone on this team were to be labeled untradeable, it would be him.
     
  3. Cato=Bum

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    Mobley is so invaluable that the team went what, 3-25 with him as the #1 option with Francis out.


    Mobley is the most selfish and stupid player in the NBA. There's no way a team that uses Cuttino as their #2 option will EVER go anywhere.

    The guy just has absolutely no clue of team basketball. His bball IQ is microscopic. Defensively, he's a matador. Watching Cuttina try to pass the ball (on the rare occasion he feels an open teammate is more worthy of the ball than his mighty self) is funnier than watching Cris Rock.

    His ridiculous shot selection just kills any flow the Rockets ever scrape to develop offensively.

    The way he whines about every call is also old.

    Rudy T deserves to be fired for continuing to coddle this extremely mediocre player instead of TEACHING him that basketball is a TEAM sport. You just don't design an offense based on an undersized, 40% shooting BALLHOG and expect to make the playoffs, unless you are Rudy T.
     
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    Larry Brown did it with the 6ers and they made it to the finals last year.;)
     
  5. sracer1000

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    Yes, Cuttino takes bad shots.

    Yes, He makes the fundimental pass look hard.

    Yes, He has flaws.

    But,
    He rebounds well for a 2. He scores 20+ ppg on a shooting % thats better than iversons, Stackhouse, and Vince Carter. He plays with intensity and attempts to play D. And he and Steve ,ake up the best, most balanced backcourt in the league.
     
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    Good point. But yes, one player does not make a team. At that time without Francis, I would probably have ranked the Rockets the second or third least talented team in the league. So, you would expect the record to be the pits. But I admit that is worse than <i>the pits</i>. I think if it was the other way around and Mobley was out, the Rockets record would also be terrible, but probably not as bad.

    No, you obviously weren't really thinking before you made this comment, so how about we just ignore this one. There's AT LEAST twenty players who shoot the ball more per game than Mobley. Iverson's the most selfish player in the NBA, and he led his team to the NBA finals.

    Are you talking about Mobley or 75% of the NBA. Man, you really have a grudge, don't you?

    Like I said, Iverson is undersized, shoots UNDER 40% and not only do they expect to make the playoffs, they reached the NBA finals. This pretty much completely negates your comment. And for the record, Mobley shoots 44%, which is the same or better than McGrady, Pierce, Iverson, Carter, and Jordan. And he shoots 3's better than all those players.

    Mobley is having a good season, and already has proven that he is a very talented and multi-dimensional scorer. He deserves to be a #2 option. Plus, his shot selection and accuracy has improved. Someone made a post about a week back with Mobley's stats over the last month. I think it was something like 25ppg on 47% shooting. Good luck finding me five guards who can do better than that.
     
  7. Hydra

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    Cato = bum,

    The Rockets were winless in the games that Mobley missed. They also were missing the best low post player on the team, the guy that sits at the arc to spread the defense, and their all-star point guard for at least 28 games each. Could that have contributed to his poor record with him as the number one option. Michael freakin Jordan couldn't put up a respectable record in the lEastern Conference with a better supporting cast than we gave Cat, so that is hardly an argument. I think more telling is that he was able to score effectively while being one of the only players on the team with any semblance of offensive talent. Kenny being the other. Beyond the first two sentances in your post, I could have sworn you were reviewing Steve. All the Cat hatas need to thank their lucky stars that a top ten guard is playing for us for less than Cato money.
     
  8. kidrock8

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    Larry Brown also had great defensive players around him. We do not have 1 guy who can be considered a good man-to-man defender.

    Moreoever, the Sixers of last year all had role player who filled their roles night in and night out.

    This year, we don't know what the hell we get from all 12 guys.
     
  9. kidrock8

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    What's funny about Mobley defenders is that they can point out his "improvement", yet they can't say a thing about him HELPING THE TEAM WIN GAMES. Something that is much more important than Cuttino's personal stats. Though, I'm sure it matters a ton to Cuttino.

    Fact remains that Cuttino doesn't give the Rockets what we need. Which is better defense, as well as creating scoring not only for himself, but for others.

    I will say that Cuttino has played better this year. However, I'm not convinced that any team could win with him as the #2 guy.

    If he is what everyone is hyping him up to be, we would be a much better team.

    There is a reason why we suck this year. And it just isn't Francis' injury.
     
  10. Cato=Bum

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    Iverson brings a helluva lot more to the table than Mobley. Iverson can get to the basket virtually every play and while his FG% is brutal, he sets up offensive rebounding opportunities for the 6ers due to his ability to penetrate and draw interior defenders so consistently.

    Conversely, the majority of Mobley's shots are shots where he will literally immediately catch and shoot or shoot a low % fadeaway jumper with a man in his grill. Shots like that do not open up opportunities for your teammates ala Iverson. The man thinks he's Hakeem Olajuwon or Michael Jordan with his fadeaway when in fact it's a low % horrid shot.

    Of course since he jacks up so many shots, he'll put up some stats but the only thing truly consistent about Cuttino's game is his consistently horrid shot selection. He's Vernon Maxwell, but without the defensive ability and without the ability to hit bigtime shots in the clutch.

    Mobley's just not in Iverson's league. Anyone who thinks that he is close to Iverson is just not thinking with their heads. Mobley should be coming off the bench since he's such a one dimensional player (Shoot, shoot, shoot)

    Thank God the Rockets didn't have Cuttino back in the mid 90's.
     
  11. Jeff

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    How many other players are there in the league that are as consistent offensively as Mobley is now with as good a FG, FT and 3-point percentage that is paid what he is? Without digging through every contract in the league, I'd say VERY few.

    Does Cuttino need some more development? Yup. But, part of the problem is that he feels the need, with the injuries and weak depth on the team, to do more than he should. With more talent and better role players on this team, it will leave Cat free to do what he does best, score.

    Look, everybody knows that zone defenses were designed to force teams like the Rockets out of the isolations they were running. Everyone assumed this would absolutely destroy Cat's game. It didn't. The guy is even better because he (and the offense) adjusted AND, more importantly, he learned to pick his shots rather than flailing around wildly like we saw so often in previous years.

    The guy has improved dramatically. I've never been a huge fan of Cat's overall game, but this year he has proven that he belongs in elite company.
     
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    That is exactly the point I was about to make. He is a cheap, explosive scorer. Sometimes Cat makes me mad as hell, but sometimes he is a superstar.
     
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    Cato=Bum with the perfect setup lob...


    LAfadeaway33 with the great finish.

    :D
     
  14. carlit0

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    The Rockets are still bad ass, we just have to wait for all our pieces to come back and a lot will change. Don't blame the back court at all, the front court is the problem. The back court is awesome!
    Mobley has done really great.

    To me Francis has been injured all year.

    KT has improved equally like Mobley.

    Now I only hope that MoT comes back next year similar to before, Rice can produce, Eddie continues to improve, plus our high pick, We will kick some ass.

    This year everything went wrong, but alot also went great, Kt got his playing time and proved Rudy correct, Eddie got major mins for a rookie, Cuttino got time w/o Francis to show him that Francis is, and will be the man. And we can get another great pick for our bad luck.

    I can only stay positive.
     
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    How in the world is Mobley in the same sentence with Iverson?

    I still am wondering what Larry Brown and the Sixers have to do with Mobley, Francis, and the 10 Dwarfs.
     
  16. dave feitl

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    I don't care how much he gets paid or how much he scores.If the rockets want to be successful Rudy, Steve, and Cat all better realize Mobes is the third option!A big man who can score and help lead is what the rockets need.Take some pressure off of Steve and do the man's work, that noone seems to be doing.Hey Cat is good but should the rockets center their defense around a ISAAC BRUCE when you can give it to a MARSHALL FAULK?We got our quarterback, we need to find him a workhorse down low.A big man will really help Steve and Mobes.
     

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