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State of Hawaii verfies Obama's birth certificate.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Nov 3, 2008.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    November surprise !

    HONOLULU -- The state's Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

    The state has received multiple requests for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. State law does not allow officials to release the birth certificate of a person to someone outside of the family.

    There were rumors that Obama was born in Kenya, where his father is from. The Constitution requires that the president be a natural born citizen of the U.S.

    While many sites and news organizations have released copies provided by the Obama campaign, the rumors have persisted.

    "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

    Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

    "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

    Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.

    Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the United States.

    Multiple lawsuits were filed to try and force Obama to provide proof of citizenship. Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's U.S. citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

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    DD
     
  2. Mulder

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    HA HA HA

    STFU Conspiracy Nuts...
     
  3. BigBenito

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    He wouldn't have been a US citizen if he was born in Kenya?
     
  4. mc mark

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    Doesn’t matter

    Like those crazies that believe Obama is a Muslim, no matter the proof, there will be the ignorant idiots that will still cling to the conspiracy.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    He would still be a citizen and most likely still be eligible for the presidency. Just like Panama's native son, John McCain.
     
  6. glynch

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    Can be more complicated than that. Both of McCain's parents were USC's. When only one is a USC it gets more uncertain.

    Born in HA. End of the story.
     
  7. glynch

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    When one parent is a USC it depends on when the kid was born (it has changed frequently throughout the years). Also depends on how many years the one USC parent lived in the USA before a certain age (21?). Complicated.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    He'd still be a citizen because of his mother, but we don't have a firm definition of "natural born." It might mean born in this country or it might mean a citizen since birth or perhaps the progeny of a citizen. If the wingnuts proved that he was not born in the USA, they'd have to go on to argue that his foreign birth didn't meet the Constitutional criterion -- and further why McCain's birth still does (I think there's an argument there since I believe he was born on a US military base, which could be considered sovereign US territory).

    And, there's no way (imo) the Supreme Court would decide at this late hour to disqualify the leading candidate for the presidency when the definition of the criterion is up to their interpretation. If anything, getting that far in their lawsuit would only serve to create a precedent for other foreign-born citizens to run for president in the future.
     
  9. B-Bob

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    I knew that university was powerful, but just wow at the pull they have. :( No wonder they get their BCS ranking inflated every year.
     
  10. Lil Pun

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    Here comes Trader with some redundant argument about how this means nothing and we still don't know the truth.
     
  11. DonkeyMagic

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    wonder if those were next to the womens chinese gymnasts teams certificates ;)
     
  12. glynch

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    :p I don't understand. Is USC a university? I think I heard about them somewhere.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    He's talking about the University of Southern California. Stephen Spielberg's alma mater and perennial football powerhouse.

    Back on subject my understanding is that "natural born" means is automatically a US citizen at birth. I think the controversy with Obama involves whether that also means having been born on US territory. Its possible that even not being born on US territory you could still be natural born if you claim citizenship from your parents.
     
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  16. BlastOff

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    Thanks for this post, DD.

    I just forwarded the link to a guy that I work with who claims to be apolitical because of his religious beliefs yet has engaged me often over the last year regarding the election. For an outsider like himself, amazing how he knows every Republican talking point regarding Obama, including Obama not being born in the United States.
     
  17. Rashmon

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    Agree with everything but this statement.

    There's a few on the court who would love the opportunity to do to Obama what they did to Gore.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    I don't think ANY of them would want to create a void in the presidency by removing a candidate the American people elected.
     
  19. JuanValdez

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    In Bush/Gore, they had to pick a winner and a loser after the country was fairly evenly divided between the two. Someone needed to adjudicate. In this case, they'd be in a position to eliminate the leading candidate and not allow millions of voters to state their choice. I don't know who would want to just give the finger to 300 million Americans and make an historic presidential election a complete sham. I don't think you give them enough credit.
     

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