One good reason is that, without a permit, carrying a gun in your car is illegal. If you are caught, you are taken to jail. Nice try, but not nice enough.
remember when the gun-grabbers hooted and hollered that if we let pilots carry guns inside the cockpits we'd get a bunch of pilots going crazy shooting holes through the plane and killing all the passengers. FAIL.
seriously is that your response?? no permit... im sure the guys doing the shooting made sure they had a permit to carry the assault rifles in there car(s) or a permit to go shoot up the school... and im sure 900 teenagers are going to follow the law to the T..... because every gun you have in the USA... is registered and everyone who holds/borrows/steals/owns a gun has a permit to carry it...
Unfortunately, this is one of those times DD will just not answer, but rather make some smug comment about 'having a brain.'
Uhhh...yeah...it is. I can tell you, as a matter of fact, that in Texas if you have a firearm in the cab of your vehicle, and no permit to carry it you will be going to the police station to sort it out. There is an exception for travelers, but any law enforcement professionals I have spoken to have told me that it is likely the police will haul you in and question you to make sure you meet the legal definition to fit the exception.
The question posed was regarding gun control laws. You posted some crap about people going to their car to get their weapon. Assuming that most people wish to obey the law, they would not have their gun in their, IIRC, you said truck (because only hicks have guns, right). (I can do it too)
I don't know about all states, but in Texas, which has reasonably gun-friendly laws, it's illegal for anyone to have a gun at school, even in the parking lot. And the cops send dogs around to check. In high school, one of it friends went to jail for having shotgun shells in his truck, left there from a hunting trip. There are numerous stories of potential mass murderers being stopped by individuals with a handgun in other places such as malls, though.
that may be true but the most effective way is to stop crime and make mental health a more public issue like we do other diseases.
Let's rehash some more. What are the odds this child would be alive if some idiot hadn't been allowed to purchase an AK-47? What is the point of having an AK-47 anyway? If a person is intent on mass murder do you think he's going to be more successful with a 9mm or an AK-47? Police: Shooter feared trick-or-treater was robber http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/ap_on_re_us/trick_or_treat_killing/print;_ylt=AtW2B0wyz2PMX.MKvb3ZjSbLLJ94 By MEG KINNARD, Associated Press Writer Meg Kinnard, Associated Press Writer Sat Nov 1, 6:39 pm ET SUMTER, S.C. – An ex-convict who thought he was being robbed gunned down a 12-year-old trick-or-treater, spraying nearly 30 rounds with an assault rifle from inside his home after hearing a knock on the door, police said Saturday. Quentin Patrick, 22, is accused of killing 12-year-old T.J. Darrisaw on Friday night. T.J.'s 9-year-old brother, Ahmadre Darrisaw, and their father, Freddie Grinnell, were injured but were released after being treated at a hospital. The family attended a Halloween celebration in downtown Sumter, 45 miles east of Columbia, then stopped at Patrick's house because the porch light was on, police said. Another sibling was with them, but wasn't hurt. Police said at least two of the boys were wearing ghoulish masks when they knocked on the door. The boys' mother and a toddler stayed in the car nearby. Patrick emptied his AK-47, shooting at least 29 times through his front door, walls and windows after hearing the knock, Police Chief Patty Patterson said. He told police he had been robbed and shot in the past year. "He wasn't going to be robbed again, and he wasn't going to be shot again," Patterson said Saturday at a news conference. She said T.J., a bright young man, suffered multiple wounds, including a fatal shot to his head. No one answered the door at the family's home Saturday. "This is by far one of the worst tragedies that I have had to personally experience," Patterson said. "It happened basically because kids were out doing what they would normally do on Halloween." Patrick has been charged with murder, three counts of assault and battery with intent to kill, and one count of assault with intent to kill. Police said they also charged a 19-year-old in his home, Ericka Patrice Pee, with obstruction of justice when she was caught trying to run away after the shooting with $7,500 in cash. Patterson did not give an explanation for the money. Pee's 2-year-old daughter was inside during the shooting and is now being cared for by family members. Patterson said Patrick had multiple drug convictions but police do not believe he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol during the shooting. Authorities did not know if Patrick or Pee had attorneys. Both are being held without bond. A man who identified himself as Patrick's brother but declined to give his name said in a call to The Associated Press that he believed Patrick was suffering from post-traumatic stress after a break-in last December. The man's account matched the information police provided. "We want to let his family know that this is a total tragic accident," he said. "He was trying to protect his family." Patrick's home is off a busy, two-lane road in Sumter, a city of about 40,000 people. On Saturday, shattered glass still covered the front stoop and about 20 bullet holes peppered the front door and a front-window casement. A firefighter used a hose to wash bloodstains away. The shooting shocked residents of a neighborhood where most people know each other well. "I just hate it that that little kid got killed. It used to be the quietest place. I knew everybody and everybody knew me," said Vivian Johnson, 81, who lives two doors from Patrick and Pee but said she did not know them. County Councilman Charles Edens said he lives just a few blocks away and passed the crime scene on his way back from trick-or-treating with his 13-year-old daughter, who was upset by the news. "It's going to put a dampening on Halloween," Eden said. "I would think twice about going to a door that we don't know who lives behind."
I only barely scanned this thread. It's hard for me to get excited about the gun issue either way. I'm inclined toward gun control, but I've had experiences in which I'd wished I'd had a gun. I've had a gun held to my head and I've been stalked. In each case, I wished I'd been better able to defend myself. And yet, I'm inclined to favor gun control as I don't want the freaks I'd want to defend myself and the people I love against to have guns. At the bottom, it seems like less guns is a better solution than more. Guns are really freaking deadly. In fact, that's their purpose. But as I scanned the thread I saw the comparison to alcohol and the damage it can cause. And that made me think about the gun issue a little differently. I don't think most people that favor gun rights are passionate about guns because of defense. I think most people that feel that way just like guns. I've always felt that way but, maybe for the first time, as a result of scanning this thread, I can understand that a little better. Because, while I don't like guns, I do like alcohol. Guns don't have any purpose other than to do damage. But that's true too of alcohol. And I'm sure it's true that, as a result of irresponsible behavior, alcohol has done more damage in this country than guns have. In fact, I'm sure that alcohol causes more irresponsible behavior than gun ownership does. Because alcohol is built to make people behave irresponsibly. I think in an ideal system, guns would be totally illegal in this country. (The problem there is that only criminals would have guns, as the cliche goes. And that's true.) I think that, in an ideal system, alcohol would be illegal too. And, in an ideal system, mar1juana would be legal. I don't like to use mar1juana personally (it doesn't agree with me), but I understand it and I understand that it doesn't do the damage alcohol does, either personally or publicly. I don't really know what I'm trying to say here except that sometimes this board (or any board) can make you think about things a little differently. I like alcohol but I recognize its dangers. And I have participated in those dangers, as most everyone who ever drank alcohol and owned a car has. I guess the only thing I really have to say about all this tonight is that these issues are not simple. And we ought not to treat them as though they are.
does it matter... a person... could shoot themselves with one of the guns they own....and at the funeral... I could see them burying the gun with them... because bible thumping southerner... Bush can do no wrong Mission AccopolasheD"{... idiots not unlike like you... are just that stupid...
Probably your best post I have ever read...I appreciate your critical examination on this issue with a lot of intelligence and fairness. I am obviously a gun enthusiast.
I think this matter is entirely up to the officer in question. In general, if you can offer evidence that you have crossed county lines, they tend to let it go. It really is pretty easy to get a permit. I guess I am too proud to ask for permission to do something that is supposed to be my constitutional right. I carry a gun in my briefcase. I only take it out when I go somewhere I know a metal detector is present. Before anyone starts judging me, I work in remote areas where wild hogs and other potentially aggressive wildlife are known to live. Also, aggressive meth addicts have taken to stealing industry equipment for their labs. I have coworkers who have been accosted by these types. Finally, property owners who do not enjoy mineral rights for wells drilled on their property can get very aggressive at times (thats another potential bone of contention I have that could start a very interesting thread). My point of view is that far too often government tries to accomplish the impossible. It is not reasonable to assume that stricter gun laws will be followed by criminals. This would leave citizens with no power to protect their own lives and property. Remember, people who live in more rural areas cannot depend on protection from government as many people live in remote areas. These people deserve the right to protect themselves.
It feels like Huffington Post and TPM are dominating the D&D now. I have to say, when I see the link, it makes me think twice about the trustworthiness of the content.
2nd ammendment in the constitution... Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Pretty straight forward sentence if you ask me and if you do your research you will find its to allow the people to rise up against a tyrannical government like we did in the revolution.
If you think converting an AK47 or other rifles to fully automatic are easy you have obviously never looked at a diagram on how to convert them. Unless you're a highly trained gunsmith i wish you all the luck breaking one gun after another trying to get one to work w/o seriously hurting yourself. And no, you won't find someone to convert one for you to risk life in prison. My AK47 is only single fire for one reason. Also, if our country we're to ever get invaded like we love doing to others, you'd wish you had a rifle and not a handgun by your side. Ask the 1st wave of Iraqi trained police we taught who all got a Glock sidearm how things are now. In all reality you're better off with some cheap hunting rifles and shotguns for the same amount of money from Wal Mart than an AK47 or AR15 to go around killing people.
Absolutely a great post. I may not agree with all of it, but it was insightful and really well thought out. Thank you for posting this.
