Time for Bush to Step Up and Get the Nobel Peace Prize

I'm sorry Glynch, but I couldn't stop laughing after reading this line to finish the rest of what you've posted. If you truly believe the Arab world is trying hard to create peace in the region, then I have some prime Iowa oceanfront real estate to sell you.

But it would be nice for the President to step up and get engaged. I doubt it will happen, based on his track record, but it would be nice.

 

I do not recall reading that Iraq was ready to give unfettered access to inspectors who would look for evidence of chemical weapons and weapons of mass destruction. Did I miss that? Do you have a link? Thanks.

 

I think Bush is doing to the Arab world what Reagan did to Russia, just take a hard line approach, and bend them to your will.

The Arab world is really powerless, all they have is oil, and they can not even stop us from coming in and taking it if we feel like it.

The various Arab countries will never totally get along, they quibble with each other over little things.

Heck Iran and Iraq were fighting a war for years.

Time to take a firm hand to the backside of the countries that continue to support terrorism.

DaDakota

 

glynch

Believe it or not, I am not an advocate of war. You simply mentioned in your post that Iraq has agreed to cooperate more with the sanctions. I have totally missed any news reports regarding such. I would truly like to know where I can read more on where Iraq has agreed to allow inspectors in, in accordance with the sanctions. It is a serious request. I am assuming that since you mentioned it, you can direct me to the source.

Thanks

 

Possibly the most ridiculous, ignorant, naive statement I have ever in my life seen in print.

Just a tad bit of glynch's wishful thinking here. What an imagination.

Just flat a lie. I guarantee that you can offer no evidence of this.

Yes, in exchange for "right of return" of Palestinian refugees - something the Israelis cannot ever accept. So they don't ever have to worry about actually normalizing relations.

Six of them have. 17 of them didn't bother showing up and even commenting on the "Beiruit Declaration".

The leaders of the Arab states that stayed away from the summit don't seem to think this. More wishful thinking on your part.

You mean as they have repeatedly offered to do? Something tells me this isn't the only reason the Arabs want to kill them.

Yes, that would explain why he has refrained from a massive response to the equivalent of 8 WTC attacks in the past year until now. Yes...

The Israelis have been giving peace a chance for 9 years - it was called the Oslo process. We have been giving peace with Iraq a chance for 11 years. Peace had it's chance, and it never showed up for the party.

Yes, I'm sure Saddam decided last night that he will never attack Kuwait - or anyone else - ever again. Yes...

War with Iraq *is going to be* over WMD and Saddam's proclivity for aggression in every possible form. But wait - he decided last night that he was never going to attack anyone again, and that he'd give up his WMD... Yes...

The Israelis gave it a chance for 9 years - it was called the Oslo process. Unfortunately the other side wasn't interested.

Didn't see it (don't watch CNN), but every Israeli spokesman I've seen quoted says it's impossible because of the "right of return" provision. They're right.

It is a "nonstarter", because of the "right of return" issue. Now I know you would like to see Israel destroyed, but the Israelis aren't too keen on that idea... And I've never heard any Israeli say that the Arabs need to give "more, more, more". They have never asked for any more than what was offered - normalization and peace. Unfortunately, the Arabs always ask for "more, more, more" as soon as they see the Israelis offering up goodies. And they always end the meeting with a "right of return" request.

They don't need an excuse. Today's suicide bomber will give them one. And they don't want the land.

Looks can be decieving. Especially when Saudis are involved.

"Order"? You think that the Israelis take "orders" from us? You overestimate our influence with them. If it comes to a choice between letting themselves die and refusing our "orders", the choice will be very easy for them.

You think that Sharon can "outwait" Bush? You severely misunderstand the situation. If Sharon doesn't act decisively, he won't "outwait" those congressment who are up for reelection in November.

If he did that then every American with a brain would know that he was either a gullable idiot who'd been hoodwinked by the Arabs, or he'd completely flipped his lid. The average joe knows the Saudi plan is bogus.

Deal? What deal? You mean the one they tried to do with Barak? Only that one didn't have the "right of return" provision...

I don't think the Israelis would be as relieved as you think, as Israel would soon disappear off the map if they accepted this peace deal with it's "right of return" provision.

Oh, everyone in the world - even us - can safely back the plan now that it is completely dead, and backing it would have no consequenses.

Yes, a very small, tiny, overwhelming majority.

This is the first accurate sentence you have written.

They are the larger community.

After a while, this would be a correct statement. After a while Israel would cease to exist, so no more killing would be necessary.

We don't need cooperation from the "whole Arab world" to win this war. We need it in bits and pieces, and the rest we can force them to do. That is the reality of the situation, and I am quite sure you're not too happy about it. Life sucks.

We can chase Osama wherever we want, and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it. Again, Life sucks.

The Nobel Peace Prize is overrated. Even your hero Arafat has one.

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glynch, this is possibly the dumbest thing you have ever posted here. Did you actually write this? Or did you pull it off of Antiwar.com? Maybe Counterpunch.org? Please tell me someone else wrote it...

 

The sarcasm was earned, and they can read it if they like.

You should be a consultant, with that kind of fancy talk.

Maybe you could consult for Saddam, cause he sure is trapped inside the box. He sure seems to think he's our enemy.

Does this mean you finally understand the situation? I have a sinking feeling that one of your future sentences will dash this hope of mine...

Sounds like a plan to me.

They are? Then why didn't we go to war with them 10 years ago, when they firsat started breaking the cease-fire agreement?

Is this your projection? The CIA thinks possibly 5 years. At any rate, he has chemical and bioligical weapons right now, so...

I thought you just said he kissed the Kuwaitis and they made up? And didn't he back the Saudi peace plan? So, he couldn't really be a threat to the Israelis, could he?

Yeah, you're right. Everything will be hunky-dorey when he finally gets his nukes. No one will have any reason at all to fear him, because by then he will have made peace with everyone in the world. It's the only logical conclusion. What was I thinking???

Yeah, there's no way Saddam could miscalculate like that. He's such a great strategist.

He does? You mean he doesn't really need all that oil he's sitting on top of? Great!!! Han we have it???

Wow, another accurate sentence! You're on a roll today.

Well, we're not planning on attacking the Kurds (where did that come from?). But I guarantee that once NK's Communists and Iran's mullahs are gone, we'll be far safer than we are today.

I haven't been 100% in total safety since mommy and daddy did the deed that fateful day 29 years ago. Have you?

The Soviets were a rational opponent. It's much easier to deal with a rational opponent.

We have talked about the issues. We're talking about them right now. You're simply incapable of understanding anything that doesn't conform with your ultra-leftist ideology. Sad.

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glynch - lay off the drugs, man. They will destroy your mind.

 

Glynch,

I am not advocating the situation, I am merely stating the situation in the M.E. as I see it.

You have a bunch of rich people who are in control of their countries, who keep most of the populace under tight control in order to maintain their power base.

Yet, all the while in a big global view, these rich people are very weak militarily, and their entire power is based upon a single commodity.

No one would care one lick for the Middle East if they did not have these massive oil reserves. In fact, the rest of the world would have been quite happy to let all the tribes over there continue to whipe each other out.

My main point is that the power these mullahs yield is a false power and is one that is easily countered, and if they do not join the rest of the civilized world and sue for ACTUAL REAL peace, they will feel the wrath of the rest of the free world, and the people of those regions, long held under strict control, will get their first real taste of the nectar of democracy, and once that happens, there is no going back.

DaDakota

PS. I think the USA clearly wants to have the general public get that taste over there, and the mullahs do not. One will win, and my bet is on the guys with the biggest stick....US.

 

glynch

Considering that Saddam is still not allowing weapons inspectors as proposed in the international sanctions how does anyone accurately know his weapons capabilities? I still have yet to see a reference where Iraq is willing to abide by the sanctions.

As treeman mentioned, the world is not dealing with a rational man when dealing with Saddam. He has had 10 years since the Gulf War to prove his rationality. He has yet to do so.

Although news outlets are reporting that Iraq's foreign minister claims they want to normalize relations with Kuwait, didn't Iraq also say they would not invade Kuwait 12 years ago? How can you honestly ignore the facts of Iraq's behavior in the past and believe anything that comes out of Iraq?

 

Kind of reminds you of the Japenese at the peace table during December of 1941, all the while steaming for an attack on Pearl Harbor.

Actions speak louder then words Glynch, and all we get from the Middle East leaders is posturing, and delays.

Time to spank those boys.....

DaDakota

 

What's the bet that 15 years ago, if he was old enough, treeman would have been railing against the 'irrationality' of the Soviets? The most recent enemy is always the truly 'insane' one, I assume.

 

glynch
don't make us the little sister of the USA
Israel will fight for her own freedom even if the entire USA goverment dislike it.
and guess what ,in the past weeks ,Bush ,Powel and the rest talked only against Arafat ,and agreed for about 99% of our actions.
also just for ur kwoledge ,Israel has one of the strongest armys in the world ,sure most of it thank to the USA support of money ,aircrafts and so on.
but e have what considered as the strongest Tanks in the world and they were invited and build by Israelis.
Israel and the USA works together on the Israeli "Hetz" ,Anti missiles rockets which will soon be operational in Israel and...in the States.
so understand this ,we don't take orders from USA.
sure we need them ,but guess what ,they need us too.
mostly our technology and "brain"
also ,do u have any idea how much influence the American Jews have in ur country ?
and there are more Jews in America then in Israel.

Dan Lederman

 

Seriously, glynch, where are you getting all of this positive information about Iraq, Palestine, etc?

 

do you not see a difference in behavior in the Soviet Union and Saddam's Iraq???

 

Okay I am not being sarcastic. I am merely confused. Someone help me out with this.

Israel refuses to accept any Palestinian refugees, but Jews from around the world can come in and settle on Muslim land?

 

If you call Israel a "muslim land", then yes. If you're talking about the settlements, everyone already agrees that is wrong... Most of the settlers are not coming from anywhere but Israel, though - they are overwhelmingly native-born. Just FYI.

As far as what "right of return" means, it means that every single Palestinian from 1948 and beyond is allowed to come and live in Israel as a citizen. It also applies to their descendents. What it would mean for Israel is that they would suddenly be outnumbered in their own country by hostile people by a margin of probably 3 to 1, and those hostile people would then be able to destroy them either through force or by taking over the government and dissolving the state of Israel...

The Israelis of course can never let that happen. An alternative idea is to pay the refugees reparations, and some Israelis have indicated a willingness to do so (those on the far left - glynch's buddies), but most Israelis don't want to do that either, for reasons that should be obvious.

Frankly, why should they accept either proposal, though? The Arabs lost the wars, and they should have to suffer the consequences. Winners of wars don't pay reparations to the losers, especially when the losers are the ones who started the war.

 

Tree where the hell do you get these numbers? 3 to 1? There are what at least 5 million Jews in Israel right? Do you really believe that there are both 15 million Palestinians around the world and that all 15 would want to live there? Lets pretend for a moment that a million of them live in America and England. Do you really believe that all of them would want to leave US and England and go back to living there?

I find it HIGHLY ironic that when Israel calls itself a Jewish Nation it is alright however when a Muslim country declares Islamic Law they're automatically branded fundamentalists. Please show me why this is the case. I'm sure we all can find just as many "Fundamentalist" views in the Old Testament as we can in the Quran.

Do you know how many Jews from the Soviet Union immigrate to Israel? It's astounding. Yet people who lived there but happen to be Arabs can't. That's called racism period.