Is it really a good idea for RNC to bring up the issue of piloting competence...

Actually, we don't know what would have happened. I assume his odds would have been better had he followed procedure, but the missile may have still hit his plane. Was he actually ordered to break off the attack? I assume throughout the history of war that soldiers break procedures plenty of times based on circumstance during war time.

I think that folks should focus on other avenues to complain about rather than bringing up a mission that a fighter pilot essentially completed at great personal risk. I suspect that similar decisions have been made throughout the history of war. Hard to fault someone for "poor judgement" when they have to make a potential life and death decision in a matter of seconds.

 

Bobrek,

While I see your point and appreciate you tone, I think it is germaine and shows a continued history of poor judgement on McCain's part, if he makes such bad decisions when his own life is on the line what kind of decisions will he make when the countries life is on the line?

History has a way of repeating itself, especially if a man's character is as flawed as John McCain's is....

DD

 

DaDakota -- it's just a classless move to say some of the things you are saying. McCain was fighting for your freedom in 'Nam. He was doing his best. He suffered for over 5 years at the hands of his captors for our nation. He's a patriot. You could learn something from him.

 

http://b1ff.org/2008/09/19/290/marlboro-man/

As long as we are talking about disobeying orders in Vietnam, I have a hard time seeing anything untrue about the story above.

 

Where was John?

Who was it that wet-started the jet that triggered the mishap?

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No he wasn't, my freedom was not at jeopardy by Vietnam, it was an out of date BS domino theory that he was fighting for...a political war with no real way of winning. Hey, you know what? That sounds a lot like the war in Iraq.

That is the point, his best was not and is not good enough.

I give him credit for not coming home when he had the chance, but the fact that he was even shot down was his own faulty judgement.

Even some of the other POW's and Naval academy graduates say he is not fit to be President...

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And if you can't handle the truth TJ, and want to hide behind some made up BOGUS classless comment, then you are even worse off than I thought.

DD

 

I'm with Bobrek on this one.

If you don't like McCain -- fine. Lots of good reasons for that.

But it's pretty ugly when we disparage and second guess his military career 30 years after the fact, when the military seems pefectly pleased with it.

He was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Distinguished Flying Cross and other commendations -- yet we seach the blogs to fill our zest to demonize him because he's on the other team. Why? Can't we just repect his military service, and then disagree on his political leanings? Not healthy.

I can understand RollingStone running their hatchet job -- afterall -- they're not much better at decyphering the best bands, drummers, up and coming talent or the music scene in general -- and they have to sell magazines, I suppose.

But for the rest of us...it's just sad.

 

Do I like the tactic? Not really. But you have to face facts T_J. The Republican spin machine kicked open the door on McCain's service record when it called him a war hero so it is legitimate to inquire about his record.

It was legitimate when the Kerry campaign brought up his status as a war hero to look at Kerry's record.

The BIG difference is that Kerry had a sterling record that was SMEARED by the lies of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth(iness). McCain has a factual TERRIBLE freaking flight record. He did act with honor in the Hanoi Hilton, but if he wasn't such a crappy pilot, he might not have been in there in the first place.

But if you don't want to go there, leave the war hero stuff alone.

 

This coming from your web site:

"The OBAMA BInlaDEN ticket has already experienced a major move in the polling since the addition of Hairplugs Biden to the ticket"

But that's classy, though- comparing Obama to Bin Laden. What kind of twisted person are you, anyway? Disgusting.

 

Anyone who wants to talk crap about his military career feel free to post your own DD214 then I will listen.

Otherwise feel free to STFU about his service to the country.

DaDakota, you are pretty old. How many Silver Stars do you have? How many times have you been in a war making decisions on trying to take out a target or to turn back?

Scan your DD214, and I would love to hear your personal stories so I can judge for myself if you know anything you are spewing.

 

mccain wouldn't have been flying that plane if his daddy weren't an admiral, and I have no trouble stating that.

 

everyone seems to have a problem to show any proof of this or any thing to back it up. Are you familar with why pilots are grounded? You are a former Naval Aviator I guess?

 

i would guess they're grounded for wrecking them not once but twice in practice. and I would guess its hard to even get to fly when you graduate 3rd from last.

look, mccain pimps his military service, don't get mad when its examined. there's no question he's one tough old man, but the facts are the facts.

 

I'm not mad, show me some facts. If you knew anything about how the rules for aviators in the Vietnam era worked I might even care about your guess.

If you have anything beyond a total guess then show it to me.

 

well, let me put it this way, i may be guessing, but I can say that if you crashed more than once, and if you weren't a good student, your chances of crashing in actual combat were probably higher than other aviators

 

OK that has nothing to do if he would have been grounded or what influence his dad had at that time which was the whole point of your previous post.

This reminds me of the John Kerry is a traitor BS I had to listen to in 2004, there is no excuse no matter how big of a d-bag you think someone is.

 

No one has to show you dick. Throwing crap against the wall to see if it sticks has been McLame's campaign mantra. Time for a steamy helping of his own crap. Not so tasty huh?

 

Read the 100% factual article I posted about his life and make up your own mind.

As for my record, If I was running for President, I would be happy to have you scan and judge, but since I am not, it is all irrelevant.

Bringing him up as some kind of War hero...when just 4 years ago Kerry was blasted in a similar circumstance means it is fair game.

If you want to honor McCain's record, go ahead, I think it is spotty at best.

If you don't want to read the factual article, then at least watch the VIDEO of a man who is more decorated than McCain and shared a POW experience with him....hear what he has to say about McCain...don't take my word for it, take the word of a man who knows him.

DD

 

So your idea of right and wrong is if they did it then it is right to do it?

Thus military careers are OK to trash. I call that being a hypocrite and having shown nothing to prove any expertise on the matter I'd ask you stop talking crap about people who were actually in a war.

 

No its not tasty when I have to listen to military careers being crapped upon by one party in 2004 then the other one in 2008. It basically shows me that most people are just paying lipservice to people in the military when it is politcally correct.