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Let's Trade Out of the Draft

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Aruba77, Mar 27, 2002.

  1. NJRocket

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    EXACTLY
     
  2. NJRocket

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    you'd have an easier time moving Oliver Miller from an all-you-can-eat buffet line after a week long starvation diet
     
  3. DCkid

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    No not near as big of a deal. But when the Rockets go behind by 15 or 20 in the first quarter (like they have many times this season) only to come back and lose the game at the very end, then YES, I do think its a pretty big deal. After the injuries, one of biggest problems with the Rockets this season is their slow starts.
     
  4. NJRocket

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    So let me understand this....you are attributing the Rockets poor season to Mo T not being around fopr the 1st 12 minutes of the game rather than Francis missing a huge chunk of the season?

    OK..newsflash for you..Kenny Thomas is not only averaging the same or higher than MoT's career scoring average (14.5 ppg), but he is averaging more rebounds (over 7 rpg) than Mo has EVER averaged in 1 season.

    If MO T had any leadership qualities whatsoever and we were looking to replace his presence in the locker room moreso than his production on the court, I could see your point. However, since he has about as much leadership as he does characteristics of a PF, you need to come upwith a better argument as to why we are losing this year.
     
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    The team's shooting percentage is too low. I believe that the addition of MoT, not the replacement of KT, would help improve that number. Our bottomline goal is to outscore our opponents and improving shooting is one of the keys to that. From my recollection, MoT has a hook shot. If he can give us 50+% shooting, it would make a big difference.

    Also all this talk about Francis and Mobley being the leaders must be taken with a pinch of salt. I could see MoT asserting himself next year and putting his stamp on this team. I do not think that he is interested in taking a back seat to anyone, especially when you consider the contract. He sees himself as a 20pt scorer in this league. The thing is, with the team the way it is built with so many scorers, to get that kind of average he will have to rely on putbacks.
     
  6. DCkid

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    Read more carefully. I clearly state, <i>AFTER THE INJURIES</i> one of the biggest problems is the Rockets slow starts. Which means that the injuries (namely Steve's) are the biggest problem. But, I don't see how it can be argued that the Rockets do not get off to slow starts this season? Mo Taylor was notorious for his fast starts, and yes, his disapperance in the second half. Thus, I think having him get the Rockets off to a better start in some of the games this season would have helped, and then letting Cuttino or Francis do what they do in the second half.
     
  7. NJRocket

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    Mo T has a hook shot? Pfft...I guess that solves it then...:rolleyes: Now if I had known about this hook shot, I would have stopped a long time ago.

    He has never shot 50+% in his career...so I can see how you think he will shoot 50+% coming off a career threatening injury...:rolleyes:

    If he sees himself as a 20 point scorer, then he had better run to Lenscrafters ASAP because the only 20 he shoud concern himself with is the 20/20 he needs to get his sight back to
     
  8. dave feitl

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    If we're gonna trade a guy who hasn't played all year, I say we use a little logic and get rid of the guys who did play and suck.
    Tierre Brown- Can he make a shot for himself, or his like our other PG's and won't pass enough
    Dan Lanky- was it too far away to bring your jumpshot from Vandy to Houston
    Jason Collier-Trys hard--not to hurt himself
    TMo- sf=slow footed, can't shoot, lucky there isn't a CBA
    Oscar Torres- Not utilized enough, looked decent but his role player status remains to be seen
    Moochie Norris-Better PG than Steve but not a better scorer

    IMO we should let MoT be our second center, he can put on some weight and muscle, draw the defense out, and every team in the league knows theC position is most teams weakest postion anyway
    Steve Francis,Mooch
    Mobes,?
    Rice,?
    Griff, KT
    Cato, MoT
     
  9. CriscoKidd

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    Whoever said MoT was looking for a new team the last time he was a FA?

    :rolleyes:
     
  10. NJRocket

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    Nobody did...however, that wasn't the issue...the issue was that no team was looking for Mo T...i was referring to your statement that he would be easy to move..as if any other team has expressed the slightest amount of interest in him
     
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    OMFG HA HA you should add that one liner to your sig that you think is so clever.
     
  12. CriscoKidd

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    No, the issue was that his contract isn't that bad, and that he could be moved if he proves he is healthy.

    There were at least 3 other teams interested after he decided he didn't want to be a Clipp. Orlando, Seattle, and Toronto.

    Last offseason, if I remember correctly, he just wanted to stay with the Rocks.
     
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    His contract isnt that bad? Maybe compared to Allan Houston's it isnt that bad. Of course he wanted to stay with the Rocks, no one else offered him a dime and the Rocks were willing to give him the farm
     
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    If he wasn't talking to other teams how could anyone offer him anything? How the hell do you know other teams didn't offer him anything?

    And nope, his contract isn't that bad.
     
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    Well he's better than that when he gets the minutes. I guess KT isn't anything special either then, since he gets a whopping 2 more rebounds and 1.5 points in 7 more minutes of PT than Mo got.
     
  16. NJRocket

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    Let me explain to you how free agency works when it a GOOD player becomes available...teams court those players, they fly them in for special events, mettings, perhaps a ball game etc. They introduce that free agent to their own players and try to make him feel at home. They do anything they can to try to sign that player. Now, these meetings/courtships are usually made public as there is always a beat writer lurking trying to find out who is trying to sign who etc. None of the above happened when Mo was a free agent.
     
  17. NJRocket

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    Thank you for enhancing our argument against Mo T...the fact that he is comparable to Kenny is exactly the point...do you see Kenny signing a 6 year 48 million dollar contract anytime soon????

    ps......when he gets the minutes????? what are you talking about??? 13 and 5 are pretty much his career averages.....are you saying in 4 years he just hasnt gotten the minutes??????:rolleyes:
     
  18. CriscoKidd

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    O wowie wowie wow. I did not know that. :rolleyes: I highly doubt all offers are made public though. And why would a player be courted if he doesn't show the desire to leave his team? Bad correlation there.
     
  19. NJRocket

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    Offers? no..they are usually not made public until they are imminent...however, teams make it very well known through the press when they are interested in signing a free agent just to make sure that the free agent in question gives them a shot to woo him.

    On one hand, you ask me how the hell do i know that no one courted him....on the other you tell me that no one courted him because he didnt want to leave his team...your argument is weakening
     
  20. CriscoKidd

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    In Free agency? Yes, I could see KT getting very close to that kind of money. Depends on if the teams that are sold on him need a pf. And on the cap room those teams have.

    Mo has only averaged over 30 minutes a game in 2 of his 4 seasons in the league, and he put up pretty good numbers in those two seasons. 10 and 6.2 are Kenny's career averages playing 28 mpg. Mo's are 14.3 and 5.3 in 29 mpg.
     

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