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The O Jesse Knows

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by IROC it, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. IROC it

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    Way to "rock" the Jewish vote, Jesse...

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_o_jesse_knows_133450.htm?page=0

    THE O JESSE KNOWS
    JACKSON ON OBAMA'S AMERICA

    EVIAN, FRANCE

    PREPARE for a new America: That's the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.

    He promised "fundamental changes" in US foreign policy - saying America must "heal wounds" it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the "arrogance of the Bush administration."

    The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.


    Jackson believes that, although "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

    "Obama is about change," Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. "And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it."

    Jackson warns that he isn't an Obama confidant or adviser, "just a supporter." But he adds that Obama has been "a neighbor or, better still, a member of the family." Jackson's son has been a close friend of Obama for years, and Jackson's daughter went to school with Obama's wife Michelle.

    "We helped him start his career," says Jackson. "And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged."

    Will Obama's election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath and waits a long time before responding.

    "No, that chapter won't be closed," he says. "However, Obama's victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades."

    Jackson rejects any suggestion that Obama was influenced by Marxist ideas in his youth. "I see no evidence of that," he says. "Obama's thirst for justice and equality is rooted in his black culture."

    But is Obama - who's not a descendant of slaves - truly a typical American black?

    Jackson emphatically answers yes: "You don't need to be a descendant of slaves to experience the oppression, the suffocating injustice and the ugly racism that exists in our society," he says. "Obama experienced the same environment as all American blacks did. It was nonsense to suggest that he was somehow not black enough to feel the pain."

    Is Jackson worried about the "Bradley effect" - that people may be telling pollsters they favor the black candidate, but won't end up voting for him?

    "I don't think this is how things will turn out," he says. "We have a collapsing economy and a war that we have lost in Iraq. In Afghanistan, we face a resurgent Taliban. New threats are looming in Pakistan. Our liberties have been trampled under feet . . . Today, most Americans want change, and know that only Barack can deliver what they want. Young Americans are especially determined to make sure that Obama wins."

    He sees a broad public loss of confidence in the nation's institutions: "We have lost confidence in our president, our Congress, our banking system, our Wall Street and our legal system to protect our individual freedoms. . . I don't see how we could regain confidence in all those institutions without a radical change of direction."

    Jackson declines to be more concrete about possible policy changes. After all, he insists, he isn't part of Obama's policy team. Yet he clearly hopes that his views, reflecting the position of many Democrats, would be reflected in the policies of an Obama administration.

    On the economic front, he hopes for "major changes in our trading policy."

    "We cannot continue with the open-door policy," he says. "We need to protect our manufacturing industry against unfair competition that destroys American jobs and creates ill-paid jobs abroad."

    Would that mean an abrogation of the NAFTA treaty with Canada and Mexico?

    Jackson dismisses the question as "premature": "We could do a great deal without such dramatic action."

    His most surprising position concerns Iraq. He passionately denounces the toppling of Saddam Hussein as "an illegal and unjust act." But he's now sure that the United States "will have to remain in Iraq for a very long time."

    What of Obama's promise to withdraw by 2010? Jackson believes that position will have to evolve, reflecting "realities on the ground."

    "We should work with our allies in Iraq to consolidate democratic institutions there," he says. "We must help the people of Iraq decide and shape their future in accordance with their own culture and faith."

    On Iran, he strongly supports Obama's idea of opening a direct dialogue with the leadership in Tehran. "We've got to talk to tell them what we want and hear what they want," Jackson says. "Nothing is gained by not talking to others."

    Would that mean ignoring the four UN Security Council resolutions that demand an end to Iran's uranium-enrichment program? Jackson says direct talks wouldn't start without preparations.

    "Barack wants an aggressive and dynamic diplomacy," he says. "He also wants adequate preparatory work. We must enter the talks after the ground has been prepared," he says.

    Jackson is especially critical of President Bush's approach to the Israel-Palestine conflict.

    "Bush was so afraid of a snafu and of upsetting Israel that he gave the whole thing a miss," Jackson says. "Barack will change that," because, as long as the Palestinians haven't seen justice, the Middle East will "remain a source of danger to us all."

    "Barack is determined to repair our relations with the world of Islam and Muslims," Jackson says. "Thanks to his background and ecumenical approach, he knows how Muslims feel while remaining committed to his own faith."

    Amir Taheri's next book, "The Persian Night: Iran Under the Khomeinist Revolution," is due out next month.
     
  2. Apollo Creed

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    Your bolding is kinda all over the place there...I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to highlight...
     
  3. tinman

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    I think this whole 'if you solve the Palestinian problem, the Middle East would be better' is crap.

    Didn't Iran and Iraq have a war? was that because of the Palestinians?

    I don't think so.
     
  4. Oski2005

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    Basically the guy who wants to cut Obama's nuts off because he doesn't treat him like THE leader of the black community is going around acting like he speaks for Obama and showing that he hasn't come very far from his Jaime-town days.

    Edit:
    My bad, I don't know why I thought basso posted this. Sorry basso.
     
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  5. mc mark

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    Jessie Jackson helped start Obama's political career?
     
  6. tinman

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    How do you know Basso is not Black?
     
  7. Apollo Creed

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    Hmm, well, Hitler was part Jew, so you never know.
     
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    Jesse Jackson, a complete racist fighting racism.
     
  9. mc mark

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    I have met basso and believe me, basso is not black.
     
  10. tinman

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    I have met basso too, but I don't know if he has that thing that happened to Michael Jackson.
    :D

    ps.. I'm just implying that people in general can't deduct anything about a person based on an internet board, especially his race
     
  11. basso

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    i'm blacker than obama.
     
  12. rimrocker

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    In terms of heart?
     
  13. Faos

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    Sincerely,

    Al Sharpton
     
  14. IROC it

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    To the poster that could not understand... I basically bolded most of what pertained to, or was said by, or implied by Jesse Jackson.


    It's not brain science or rocket surgery.

    BTW- Everyone knows that Jesse Jackson, Jr. is his son, and is co-chair of the Obama campaign. I'm sure son talks to dad, hence dad picks up on the vibe of the intentions of the potential Obama White House and shares what he perceives, and others have feared for some time now.

    It's just food for thought, people. Just posing a point to ponder, that's all.



    I don't see how this rhetoric would help Obama solidify the Jewish vote.
     
  15. halfbreed

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    The single greatest thing about Obama's upcoming win will be the blow to the Jesse Jacksons and the Al Sharptons of the world.

    Perhaps now it will be easier to have an actual open discussion on real issues of race in this country.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    Well obviously son and father didn't talk enough to convince Dad that Obama shouldn't have his nuts cut off.

    Son has also spoken out against Dad a few times recently.

    Jesse Jackson who doesn't have a roll in Obama's campaign shouldn't have any effect on the Jewish vote.

    Palin and McCain quoting famous anti-semetic bigots at their convention might hurt McCain with the Jewish vote. McCain serving on the board of a group that the ADL said the following about - 'has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.'"

    This is the ADL which might have more influence on the Jewish vote than anything Jesse Jackson says.

    Of course this is all just food for thought. Something to ponder.
     
  17. Dairy Ashford

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    Yes; twenty years ago, partly because of us. Library opens at nine, ambassador.
     
  18. Dairy Ashford

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    Jackson is a hypocrite with out-dated ideas and opinions; but he's not a racist.
     
  19. GuerillaBlack

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    Uh...nope. Jesse Jackson has absolutely nothing to do with the Obama campaign. FranchiseBlade said it best.
     
  20. ROXTXIA

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    Using the NY Post for facts? Why don't you just use the WSJ op-ed page?
     

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