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If Obama loses....

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Bandwagoner, Sep 30, 2008.

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  1. joliver325

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    Do you mean racial injustice or just race? What makes you ask such a question?
     
  2. Mulder

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    Seriously, with the way T_J incites flame wars with all the garbage that he posts, why has he not been banned?
     
  3. joliver325

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    With what i've heard recently about how "vocal" McCain town halls have gotten recently, I believe the real riots could be made b/c McCain lost.

    CaseyH, you can't escape how you worded your question to include race as a reason to think riots could start. And you being in an interracial marriage does nothing for your argument.

    Just be real. You believe that given an Obama loss, another race would feel slighted and decide to react negatively.
     
  4. Bandwagoner

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    Why do I have to admit to anything I don't feel. Yes race is a cause but its the race of the candidate not the protesters. WTF seriously trying to pin racism on me is getting so old.
     
  5. Batman Jones

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    I call BS.
     
  6. joliver325

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    Could you please clarify your statement for me to understand why and who may riot b/c an African American male lost the race. Who would riot? Orientals would riot? Would Anglo Saxons riot? Would a mix of races riot? Why will people not riot for McCain just as Obama? They've gotten pretty upset at McCain rallies lately
     
  7. basso

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    Everybody now bring your family down to the riverside
    Look to the east to see where the fat stock hide
    Behind four walls of stone the rich man sleeps
    Its time we put the flame torch to their keep

    Burn down the mission
    If were gonna stay alive
    Watch the black smoke fly to heaven
    See the red flame light the sky

    Burn down the mission
    Burn it down to stay alive
    Its our only chance of living
    Take all you need to live inside
     
  8. Deckard

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    I have vivid memories of the chaos at the 1968 DNC. No, I wasn't there, but I was clued to the coverage, having more passion about politics then than I do now, believe it or not. What was behind that terrible period had damned near nothing to do with race and everything to do with the murder of Bobby Kennedy, the Old Guard of the Democratric Party trying to use machine politics to take back control of the party from the progressive and liberal wing that had become ascendent (for a host of reasons) very quickly after Kennedy decided to run, their use of a decent man, Hubert Humphrey, as their tool, whether Humphrey liked it, or not, and the brutal, out of control Daley Chicago machine's use of the Chicago police department, with some spice tossed in by relatively small numbers of radicals on the Left, who got coverage far, far beyond what they deserved, naturally, by the media. Most of the "riots" occured when the vast majority of peaceful protesters were assaulted by the CPD under orders by Daley.

    Similar to any possible scenario we could have today? I think not. And by the way, I was in a couple of riots myself and several protests. My experience is that riots occur because of a few people taking advantage of an angry and tense situation (and, in my experience, justifiable anger and frustration) to cause trouble, thinking wrongly, in my opinion, that some advantage is gained by it, and the overreaction of local law enforcement, which was pretty predictable back then.
     
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  9. Faos

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    Tensions are already high. Of course this was started by the democrat.

    http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/30930849.html
    Poll workers clash at Falls nursing home

    Police, elections board investigate alleged assault over marked ballot

    By Stephanie Warsmith
    Beacon Journal staff writer

    Published on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008

    Poll workers from opposing sides in the presidential race apparently clashed in a physical altercation Friday at a Cuyahoga Falls nursing home when one accused the other of improperly marking a ballot.

    George Manos, the 75-year-old Republican, told police that Edith Walker, the 73-year-old Democrat, jumped on his back and struck him in the head three to four times with her fists. Manos said two other elections workers had to pull Walker off his back, according to a report filed with Cuyahoga Falls police.

    Manos said it happened after he accused Walker of ballot tampering, and he wants to prosecute.

    The incident, which occurred about noon at Gardens of Western Reserve nursing home, is being investigated by both the police and the Summit County elections board. The board probe could lead to a closer examination of the other votes with which Walker was involved.

    The alleged assault piqued the interest of Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign — as the voter in question reportedly wanted to vote for McCain but her ballot was initially marked for Sen. Barack Obama.

    ''This is a troubling report that emphasizes the importance of having a transparent and open process in every voting place in Ohio,'' said Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for McCain's campaign.

    The elections board sent two teams of poll workers, each with one Democrat and one Republican, to the nursing home to assist residents who otherwise would be unable to go to the polls. Such early voting is a routine service offered by elections boards to nursing homes.

    Board officials said they have received conflicting accounts — and are trying to sort out what happened — as Manos and Walker were attempting to assist a female nursing home resident with her ballot. Until they do, Walker won't be involved with voting.

    ''Any type of disagreement at a voting center is not appropriate,'' said Tim Gorbach, a Democratic member of the elections board. ''We need to find out exactly what happened and will take action.''

    The voter was able to cast a new, correct ballot with her desired choices, according to elections board officials.

    Workers finish vote

    After the incident, Manos and Walker were asked to return to the elections board and the remaining team of poll workers finished the voting at the nursing home.

    Manos, Walker and the two other poll workers gave written accounts to the board.

    Walker said in her statement that Manos tried to grab the ballot in question out of her hand. She said he accused her of marking the ballot wrong and she ''apologized to him if I did do it, but he was very mean to me.''

    Manos' written statement is similar to what he told police. He also said Walker initially refused to show him the ballot, then marked it a second time.

    Richard Bader, a Republican poll worker at the nursing home, wrote that he forced his way between Walker and Manos and ''she tried to strong-arm me out of the way, but I held my ground.'' Bader said the incident drew a crowd of six to 10 people.

    Robert Dengle, a Democratic poll worker who witnessed the incident, wrote that Manos grabbed the ballot out of Walker's hand and she went after him to get it back. When they ultimately reviewed the ballot, he said, it was marked both for Obama and McCain.

    New rules suggested

    Bryan Williams, the board's deputy director, sent the statements to elections board members Monday, along with suggested new nursing home guidelines for elections board staff. If the board approve the rules, he said, the staff will be retrained before voting resumes at area nursing homes today.

    Among the recommendations are that both the Democrat and Republican poll worker review each vote on a ballot as it is marked and that — when reviewing the choices — a poll worker will say them aloud so the voter can hear them.

    Brian Daley, a Republican member of the elections board, said he thinks the board should have a hearing on the incident. He said the board may need to examine the other votes Walker was involved with to make sure they were properly marked.

    ''If it results in looking at the others, so be it,'' he said. ''The facts as they unfold will dictate where we go with it.''

    Stephanie Warsmith can be reached at 330-996-3705 or swarsmith@thebeaconjournal.com.
     
  10. BigBenito

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    Old Lady 1 Old Man 0.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    Why are people still giving CaseyH a hard time and not saying anything to me? Everything you accuse CaseyH of thinking, I said in black and white. Am I on everyone's ignore list already?
     
  12. rimrocker

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    Uh, what? Say again.
     
  13. Bandwagoner

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    you live in such a small little world.
     
  14. Batman Jones

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    I call BS on this.
     
  15. B-Bob

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    "You might not want to ask so many questions, Fox."
     
  16. Bandwagoner

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    The funny part is I was right. And thats what burns you.
     
  17. Batman Jones

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    Right about what? You haven't been right about anything on this board yet. I am a vegan and you are a racist. And you are also a twit.
     
  18. Bandwagoner

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    of course i am.
     
  19. London'sBurning

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    Now we're getting somewhere. Racist.
     

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