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Palin/Biden: Want essentially same thing in Gay Marriage issue??

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by BucMan55, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. BucMan55

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    Did I hear that correctly last night?? Biden said that he and Obama were not for changing the definition of "marriage" as that is more of a religious/spiritual thing left for those institutions. He was however for giving same sex couples the option of binding legal contracts and insurance rights and other benefits that married couples have. Palin's point on the issue seemed to be the same in that she was for giving them rights but not allowing them to alter the definition of marriage.(which is my stance, since marriage = 1 man 1 woman BUT a gay couple who get a certificate of domestic partnership should get the same rights)


    Is there more to this than they said, Or should this no longer be an issue?
     
  2. mtbrays

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    In the grand scheme of things facing our country, this is one of the biggest red herrings out there.
     
  3. BucMan55

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    Oh no doubt, but you guys saw what it did to those states in 04 that had a referendum on the ballot about it. I dont think any state that had it on the ballot was a win for Kerry.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, I thought it was great for Biden to frame it that way.
     
  5. Rocketman95

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    Not even sure why this was addressed last night. I'm all for gay marriage (and yes, calling it marriage), but with all that's going on in the world right now, I'm surprised it was even brought up.
     
  6. giddyup

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    The whole gay marriage thing confuses me. Isn't "marriage" just a religious overlay on a "civil union" -- like some people get married at the courthouse instead of at a church.

    Of course, the government shouldn't have any say over a church's definition of marriage, but the fact remains that civil unions are still unsatisfactory with regards to property rights, visitation privileges, and inheritance issues.
     
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    I think many people are worried that recognizing gay civil unions in the legal sense starts on the slippery slope toward recognizing gay marriages in a religious sense. I don't have any problem with the concept of gay marriage, but I think it's more important to ensure gay couples have all the legal rights rather than the right "word" to describe their union. So I wish the Democrats would explain to conservative voters that they only want to ensure that gay couples get the legal rights, and that they will NEVER pass any legislation forcing churches or other religious entities to recognize gay marriage.
     
  8. Oski2005

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    What is religious about the word "marriage?"

    Etymology:

    Middle English mariage, from Old French mariage, from marier “to marry”, from Latin maritare “to marry”, literally “give a husband to”, from maritus “married man, husband”, derived probably from Proto-Indo-European *mari-, perhaps a feminine stem of *mer-yo- “young man or young woman” (hence *mari-to- “given a wife”), if not somehow connected with mas “male” (stem mar-).
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Yeah, I think that pretty much makes it a non-issue in this election. I think any other position would have been too dangerous for both campaigns. This insipid compromise position should placate most people (besides homosexuals).

    I personally also object to the separate-but-equal institution of civil unions. I think the government should give everyone civil unions and leave marriages to religious organizations.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    The problem is . . .people don't beleive politicians when they say . NEVER
    cause politicians have lied about so much crap . .
    'we would NEVER us the Patriot Act policies on out own people unless absolutely necessary" - yea right

    I think you hit it right
    While people b*tch about Religion infiltrating government
    we have no qualms about Government infiltrating Religion

    Marriage is a religious thing. . the government should HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
    Marriage Licenses and crap like are ridiculous
    only you Church/etc should tell you if you married or not. . . not the government

    So . . . some churches do it. . its them . . out of government hands

    Rocket River
     
  11. Rocket River

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    I agree
    although
    Why should it matter to the government if folx shacking up or not
    What 'extra' rights being in a marriage/civil union bring a person/couple? Could this not be done with a contract of marriage? Treat it like a merger. . . party of the 1st part and party of the 2nd part etc!

    Rocket River
     
  12. HAYJON02

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    Marriage. One man. One woman. One race.
     
  13. yaoluv

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    Well I thought when asked directly if she agreed with Biden, Palin kind of danced around the issue and said they were in agreement against marriage for gays, but didn't say if she agreed on civil unions specifically.
     
  14. ChenZhen

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    Are you serious? :D
     

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