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The real RA offense coming or a disaster ahead?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by lastreg, Oct 1, 2008.

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  1. J.R.

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    I said no direct shot at you, and a lot of others use it too. I just noticed you using it first though the OP used it first. I'm just cracking up. I'm out of here now.
     
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    You better run.
     
  3. Alvin Choo

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    its just fine tuning the offense. Cant see what the disaster is all about. it's still the same thing like last season, with just faster passing, more off ball movement and basically more efficient with the ball and spacing.
     
  4. ronnymac

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    Hopefully this means less tmac pullup heat check crazy shots.i think were gonna see alot of games where tmac and yao wont be scoring the majority of the points. even with the kings, they had 8 guys scoring in the low teens. they used to trounce teams due to there supreme depth. i think thats what were gonna see from here. i honestly wouldnt be suprised if yao's scoring drops off by 2 or 3 points. or tracy averages 19 points 6 assists and 5 boards.
     
  5. lastmanstanding

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    This team is so unsuited for Adelman's offense, but I hope the team does run it because our offense has been pitiful the least few years.
    I dont think it'll work though.
    TMac dominates the ball too much (doesnt work off the ball)
    and Yao is best down low.
     
  6. ronnymac

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    The spacing last season was darn awefull. especially against utah. there was very little ball movement or off the ball screens.there was very little cutting . as a result it usually meant tracy had to be isolated to go 1-1 with he's respective opponenent.
     
  7. J.R.

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    No no not running, just out til tomorrow. My day is over with!
     
  8. Nitro1118

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    I don't think either are the problem. T-Mac dominates the ball when the rest of the guys aren't creating offense for themselves. We saw it at the beginning of last year...T-Mac is at his BEST when he doesn't have to create everything and can play more off-ball. But, the team had struggled because Rafer cannot score inside at all therefor making him a player that has to camp outside waiting for T-Mac to draw a double team...same with Battier, and Head to a degree. That is why I think Artest and Barry will be great for the progression of the Adelman offense...they won't need T-Mac to create for them to be effective.

    Yao is best down low...but bringing him outside opens up the middle of the floor for T-Mac, Artest and Scola to cut and get easy hoops.
     
  9. ronnymac

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    At the start of the season last season, tracy was playing alot off the ball. he was getting alot of open looks. but after 8 or 9 games, we rverted back to Gundy ball because most of the players were just confused. i think after a year under there belt, they will be better. the reason why james was shipped out was because he was a ball hog. he would come in and with any passing just start jacking up shots. his contract was another reason.
     
  10. t-mac4bigmac

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    This new may or may not work. Now, we do have Ron Artest who knows this offense from his sacramento days. We have young players on this team like Landry, Dorsey, Brooks, Scola, and Harris who are still developing their games and can be molded to play Adelman's style. Guys like Brent Barry, Scola, Landry, and Luther Head all are good at moving without the basketball and moving around on the floor, which is exactly what Adelman's offense relies on. And this offense, which theoretically would put less pressure on individual players would really benefit Tmac in the long run.

    But the one player I have a little doubt whether or not he can adapt to a new offense is Yao Ming. He's pretty much played under the same type of offense for many years now. And it took him a while to find his niche in the low-post. To try and run a new offense might force Yao to make to many new adjustments to his game. But its possible could adapt. We'll see this season.
     
  11. BrooksBall

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    I still believe Yao can be effective from the high post as well. Statistically, he hasn't shot well from that area over his career but I don't think range is the issue. He just needs to get confident taking those shots in game situations. Imagine how difficult it will be for opposing teams if Yao starts knocking those mid-range shots down on top of being dominant in the low post. I'm interested to see if he can make that a legitimate part of his game this season.

    On another note, did anybody read JFranks comment below that Chron article? The old dude isn't feelin' today's NBA culture.
     
  12. J.R.

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    Yao seems to like it/want to make the change. He thinks it will help him/his game/the team, but we'll see. Hopefully this change is for the best.
     
  13. J.R.

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    Haha that guy is just crazy. Old, sick looking man.
     
  14. Nitro1118

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    I think people mis-interpret the purpose of putting Yao in the high post...the point of it isn't to open up Yao's game and make him a jumpshooters, but rather to open up the game for the OTHER players. Having him come outside unclogs the lane for slashing players, which is very much the purpose of the Adelman offense.
     
  15. ronnymac

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    Yao is a team first play. this offense might not make his scoring average go higher, but we will utaliaze his passing ability and creat alot more spacing with him clogging the paint. there will be times when all other things fail, we will go back to dumping into him and let him opertate. but that is an insurance policy.
     
  16. BrooksBall

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    If the big man can't hit that shot, the defender can just lay off him and cut off passing lanes. On the other hand, if the big man can hit that shot (Webber, Miller), forcing the defender to commit, passing lanes open up and there is more room for cutters to operate. If the big man can hit the shot and put the ball on the floor (Webber, Scola?), he has three options: shoot, pass, beat his man off the dribble.
     
  17. Nitro1118

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    I know this, all I am saying is that people mis-interpret the point of putting Yao in the high post. It isn't to make him a more versatile scorer or really at all to benefit him...it is to make things easier for everyone else. Even with a fairly inefficient jumpshot and inability to put the ball on the floor, people still respect him from out there. Last year the problem wasn't him missing jumpers or defenders sagging off...it was having T-Mac be the only guy that could benefit from the open lane. With Scola maturing and gaining confidence, Artest and Barry, along with T-Mac, we have a wealth of guys that can take advantage of the open middle.
     
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    Everybody should have seen this coming (again). Adelman sold Les on developing the offense to lessen the burden on Yao & TMac and he's still going to try to do it.

    I see some of the same people here from last year complaining about it (again) but it still makes sense for Adelman to push his system. I expect further growing pains, but I still think it will be worth it by the time Christmas rolls around.
     
  19. BrooksBall

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    My bad, I hear what you're saying. They key is that other players take advantage of the open space. It will be interesting to see if enough players can get on the same page. The offense will flow a lot better if they do. Yao will also have to read player movement and know where to position himself.
     
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    Scola is going to be amazing this year. He really improved a ton last season especially with all the touches he got when Yao went out. Now that the rockets got artest the other team is just going to forget about him. If he can make the cuts in this system the rox offense could be just sick.

    And as I recall the problem at the start of last season was Mike James chucking up every last shot like basketball was going out of style and an overreliance on chuck "i got no offense" hayes.
     

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