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Wachovia is next

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Bandwagoner, Sep 28, 2008.

  1. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Member

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    This crap isn't gonna stop.
     
  2. HombreDeHierro

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    JP morgan is gonna become the largest banking conglomerate
     
  3. TreeRollins

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    I would suspect the 10% nationwide deposit cap would come into play soon for JP Morgan Chase. Maybe not though.
     
  4. tulexan

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    I believe I read that the deposit base cap restrictions have been lifted.
     
  5. pippendagimp

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    maybe fortis first...
     
  6. robbie380

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    not so fast!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080928/ts_nm/us_wachovia

    Wachovia bank in talks to be bought: sources

    By Paritosh Bansal and Megan Davies 1 hour, 24 minutes ago

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Wachovia Corp is in talks with rivals to be taken over, sources familiar with the situation said on Sunday, after the U.S. bank's shares fell 27 percent on Friday due to ongoing concerns about its portfolio of illiquid mortgage assets.

    Citigroup Inc is among the parties in talks with Wachovia, the two sources said, and one source said Wells Fargo & Co was also in discussions.

    The New York Times said the two companies were locked in a bidding war for a possible takeover of Wachovia, citing people involved in the talks. The U.S. government, led by the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department, is also involved in the talks, the newspaper said.

    The government is resisting guaranteeing some of Wachovia's assets, as it did for Bear Stearns when it engineered that company's sale to JPMorgan Chase & Co, and is also opposed to taking over Wachovia unless its financial position deteriorates more rapidly.

    Talks could go past Sunday night, the newspaper said.

    Citigroup and Wells Fargo are unlikely to bid more than a few dollars a share for Wachovia, whose shares closed Friday at $10, the newspaper said. It is unclear whether Wachovia would be sold as a whole or be broken up, or how much Wachovia bondholders might lose in any transaction, it said.

    A Wachovia spokeswoman declined to comment. Citigroup and Wells Fargo could not be immediately reached for comment.

    Investor concern about Wachovia mounted Friday after JPMorgan said it would take a $31 billion write-down on loans it acquired when it took over Washington Mutual Inc's banking unit on Thursday.

    The write-down raised worry that Wachovia might have to take much larger write-downs on a $122 billion portfolio of option adjustable-rate mortgages it largely inherited when it bought California lender Golden West Financial Corp in 2006.

    (Additional reporting by Jonathan Stempel; Writing by Michael Erman)
     
  7. Baqui99

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    Time to short the hell out of Wachovia.
     
  8. Invisible Fan

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    Lehman had no business declaring bankruptcy when there were bidders at the table up until the last week.
     
  9. robbie380

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    lulz! :D
     
  10. wakkoman

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    Their I-Banking and Global markets business was bought by Barclays.
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    This is what I was talking about. People have been bidding on them.
     
  12. Air Langhi

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    You can't, but you buy puts, but the premiums might make it a bad trade.
     
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  14. glynch

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    Can't they hold on till Wednesday and get their Bush-Paulson bailout?
     
  15. robbie380

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    glynch the govt purchasing illiquid assets would not save wachovia. they hold 120 billion worth of pay option arms...more than twice what wamu had.
     
  16. Baqui99

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    Should be interesting to see how much puts are selling for tomorrow morning.
     
  17. Refman

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    The pay option ARM is arguably the dumbest idea in the history of consumer lending. It is a recipe for having scores of notes that are undersecured.
     
  18. rocket3forlife2

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    Oh, you mean the slave bank?
     
  19. robbie380

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    well if wb gets bought at buck then those 2.50's will be going for 1.50 :p
     
  20. robbie380

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    yes the slave bank??? :confused:
     

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