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[Chron] Adelman leaning towards Artest off the bench?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Sep 26, 2008.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    Is this question meant just for posters on this board, or coach Adelman as well (should he, in fact, choose to bring Artest off the bench)?
     
  2. leebigez

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    I'm just that some posters want this artest relief fund. Lets always have a bullett in the chamber mentality. I think we should come out and crush people. I also think that the more the big 3 play together, the better chemistry they will have during playoff time. If they start together, they will learn tendencies of each other quickly. They will learn where each likes the ball, the passing angles, and stuff like that. If all artest does is come in as a spark to give tracy his 1st break or get in the post when yao gets in foul trouble, what about when yao isn't in foul trouble, but artest has a decided advantage and needs to go to the blks? Those are things they can and need to find out early so its secnond nature during crunchtime.
     
  3. flamingdts

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    It doesn't mean that they'll never play together at the same time. Once the second unit is done (which will probably be around midway-early second quarter), Adelman will probably start mixing up the lineup a little to create productivity and a different style of offense and defense which our opponents cannot expect from our first and second unit.

    Once the second unit is done, we'll probably see Artest and McGrady, with Yao getting an extra minute rest. Then we get to see the big 3 together and ending the second quarter strong. Then, Adelman might choose to rest Yao or McGrady starting 3rd quarter, so you get another different type of big 2 offense.

    So what I'm saying is our Big 3 will at least get around 12-20 minutes playing together even though they do not all start together.

    And who wouldn't be suprised if McGrady ends up the 6th man of our team.
     
  4. mag

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    The reason to start Artest is because having 3 guys that can score, the other teams can not double team on anybody. If we continue with Battier, other teams can continue double teaming TMac or Yao.
     
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    I've said a lot, but I don't think I can say it any better than that. I mean simplicity at its fullest. Rolling Battier out to start gives the other teams wing a "break". They don't even guard him or have the audacity to put a smaller guy on him and he can't even make them pay. So now we start the game running this inside out, hoping battier or rafer can make a open shot. Add Artest into the starting lineup and the gaps are closed smaller. Teams will think twice about running a smaller guy out there with Artest. Now the floor is balanced and now ur 4th scorer is scola. Now the options for optimum flowing of points are easier.
     
  7. durvasa

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    That's reasonable. But, rotations during a game aren't rigid. And just because Artest is coming off the bench, that does not mean he won't get significant time playing alongside both McGrady and Yao. I would still except them all to play 30+ minutes a game. Mathematically, there would have to be considerable overlap there in a 48 minute game.

    All that said, I tend to agree with your sentiment that we should start Artest. There are some pros and cons to bot approaches, though, that Adelman is going to have to weigh.
     
  8. IndoRockets

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    I think its better for him to come off from the bench..

    as when Yao and Mcgrady sits out, we can still have a fresh scorer outside there.. and he will also get more touches with those two on the bench.

    Although he should finish the 4th
     
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    There are 48 minutes in a game. If Yao and T-Mac play their regular 38 minutes. Artest plays 30-38 minutes a game. They will play together. There's alot of overlap. It's like saying Ginobili never gets to play with Duncan and Parker, because he is came off the bench.
     
  10. leebigez

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    I guess my problem and its not really a problem, but battier is a bench player on a good team. Artest is a top 15 player in the entire league. Everyone wants to point at manu as a example and to a point, I see the point, but Pop made that decision because of the wreckless type of guy manu is. Artest is better than manu, period. I know there are enough minutes, but I think battier is a 20 min bench guy. I know there is a certain affinity for the guy, but he's like rafer and hayes is that people over-value their true impact and contribution because they're rox. In memphis, he came off the bench behind posey. Now if he was a bench guy behind someone he's probably equal to, why not be a bench player behind a guy he's ten times less than in artest?

    This deal will work itself out, but why risk the volatility of artest when u don't have to. Make no mistake, he says he'll come off the bench and he may be truthful, but in the back of his mind, that effects his free agent value for next yr. U saw how morey did landry by lowballing him, think of the propositional offer he would extend to artest if he doesn't start. I may be in the minority, but 55 wins from last yr mea nothing to me. I don't care what this team does in the regular season. They need to be ready for the real deal. They've shown they can win in the regular season, but the post season is another thing.
     
  11. Shay

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    Either way I don't mind if he starts because there are very strong arguments for both options.

    Artest coming off the bench is better for him if he can understand that.
    He will get more touches and shots and be the focal point of the offense for us.
     

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