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Could the Charlotte offer be bogus?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Sep 24, 2008.

  1. Bandwagoner

    Bandwagoner Member

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    If it is bogus it is just because they are putting offers out there to make their fans think they are doing something. If it is true the Rockets highest offer was 5.4 for 3 years my guess is this Bobcat offer was the highest offer by far. Landry;s agent probably sold the Bobcats that the Rockets would not match it. Otherwise why would they put the offer out there.
     
  2. hooroo

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    Bobcats need some bigs and they wouldn't know what the Rockets offered.
     
  3. Matt78777

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    I'm not sure I see the point of the alleged conspiracy. If there was bad blood between morey and baker, I would think they best and quickest way to get rid of it is to offer more money. Money is money, and it talks, no matter where it's coming from. No need to get some other team to offer a deal just so we could match it. Besides, the deal makes too much sense for Charlotte for it just to be favor for the Rockets. They really do need bigs. Morey probably offered a cheap deal to Landry, hedged his bets that he wouldn't find anything better, and now that he has, he'll decide to match it or not.

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  4. DrNuegebauer

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    They're about $3.2mill under the cap.

    So the offer is about as big as it possibly could be!
     
  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Couldn't they offer their full MLE?

    Or does being under the cap stop them from doing that?

    DD
     
  6. hooroo

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    Teams under the cap they don't get a MLE I think.
     
  7. Rover16

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    Yeah I'm pretty sure that is true, cause teams under the cap have no use for a mle. It's for teams over the cap so they can sign people. Bobcats could have given landry 10 mill if they wanted, whereas rockets could only give mle max.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Well so much for my speculation then....

    ;)

    Still...how about Luther for Felton?

    DD
     
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  9. ambrose86

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    DD,

    let me tell you why this offer is legit.

    1) as some of the posters said, there's no way Morey and the bobcats would take the risk of penalty over such minor matters

    2) this extending the offer sheet thing being harmful to a franchise is OVERRATED. first of all, at this stage of the free agency period, extending an offer to a restricted agent would no longer tie up ur capital. You can either use it or leave it.

    3)the bobcats may be concerned that it will benefit the rockets more, but seeing that we are located in a different conference, I don't think it matters much. Thus, it is in their interest to make such offer because with no downside, there's some upside in the unlikely event that the rockets don't match.
     
  10. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    I think the Bobcats had a ton of cap room at the start of the summer, but they used most of it to re-sign Emeka Okafur. A team that is only slightly under the cap (which Charlotte was not at the start of the summer) can choose whether it wants its cap room or the MLE. One, but not both.
     
  11. anelka3913

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    report says they offer Landry, 3yrs 9million$..so its really not that much
     
  12. PDJACK7

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    DM wouldn't do such a thing. :D

    I say it is reasonable and we should match. I have been saying it all along that he should be in the range of 2.5-3mil a year. DM didn't want to give Landry more than 3mil and probably knew that no other team would offer more than that, so he played the waiting game to save a couple of million for Deke and Dorsey.
     
  13. Jd1

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    They could. but why would they want to over-pay Landry?
     
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    lets forget Landry,he is not so loyalty to Rox
     
  15. Seven

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    You guys are overrating Landry. He's no more than an energy guy that plays only a few minutes a game, and will never be a starter for us. His defense and height will be what limits his minutes on the court and I think this offer by the Cats is very fair. I think he is very comparable to Kenny Thomas and what his contract. Don't get me wrong Landry plays with a ton of energy and hustle, but with Hayes always ready and the addition of Dorsey, it seems the rockets are more than adequate at that position.

    I still say Rockets should match this offer, but I don't think he's worth much more than that.
     
  16. flamingdts

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    Agreed, he is a very useful player. Maybe not a starter for us any time soon. But he will offer quality minutes. He is also the rookie that impressed nearly the whole league the most, since no one expected him to be THAT good and someone worthy of a much earlier draft pick. The only thing that worries me is his knee, but if that is no problem, he can put up 20+ points every month or so now that he has more experience in NBA.
     
  17. AggNRox

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    if i am not wrong, they can use their MLE as long as the portion of MLE used is larger than 3.2 mil under the cap. in this case, they forfeit their 3.2 mil under cap.

    you can't use MLE if the space under the cap is larger than MLE. in reality, for those teams which are under the cap but not more than MLE, the best way is to use the space first then use MLE. Otherwise, their MLE doesn't equal to one that other over cap teams have.
     
  18. Old Man Rock

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    Brilliant sleuthing DD. You've managed to break the Davinci code and discovered that the Bobcats are doing all of this to get Luther Head from us. Genius!

    Seriously, you have to ask yourself what is the downside for the bobcats in doing this. What do they have to lose. They make the offer at what they consider a fair price and considerably higher than what the Rockets are offering and then let the chips fall where they may. Where is the conspiracy in that?

    You obviously have been watching too much Matlock. They offered a fair price that is almost 4 mil more than the Rockets. And considering the Rockets have been b****ing all summer that Landry is not worth much if he won't get exploratory surgery it's a good bet that has no risks and good benefits. It's just a "let's see if they were just bluffing" decision. If not the Bobcats get one of the best rookies last year at a pretty good price. ANd if the Rockets do sign him than what did they lose... Absolutely nothing. No conspiracy here just smart management by the Bobcats.
     
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  19. tcadriel

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    Of coarse the Rockets sign him, he's a asset and Morey knows this. If he preforms well he plays, if he's not as productive as he was in his 42 game stint, he get used as trade bait. I'm sure there's quiet a few teams out there that would find some minutes for him.

    As far as a conspiracy, it only takes a "wink, wink" and a "uhm humm".

    I do agree with this though:

    [/QUOTE]You guys are overrating Landry. He's no more than an energy guy that plays only a few minutes a game, and will never be a starter for us. His defense and height will be what limits his minutes on the court and I think this offer by the Cats is very fair. I think he is very comparable to Kenny Thomas and what his contract. Don't get me wrong Landry plays with a ton of energy and hustle, but with Hayes always ready and the addition of Dorsey, it seems the rockets are more than adequate at that position.

    I still say Rockets should match this offer, but I don't think he's worth much more than that.
     
  20. AggNRox

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    i don't think it's smart move by cats management. i doubt cats have a smart management team. otherwise, cats wouldn't have been at the bottom after so many years.

    morey said clearly rox will match any offer sheet up to full MLE. you can argue whatever you want but no matter how you said you just guess what morey was thinking. if rox does what morey said publicly, only thing cats do is to push landry's price tag higher. if cats think rox won't match, there must be some kind of reasons, either he is worth or he might be damaged goods. in first case, why let rox sign him with cheap price and then find a way to get him through trade. in 2nd case, do i need to say more?
     

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