what you didn't see when i last posted, and other's before me was this thread in the Texans, Astros, Comets forum.
pretty sure that therapists are required to report it to the cops when a patient exhibits suicidal behavior... from there it spreads pretty fast
This was in the "Texans,Astros,Comets" forum before it was moved here. So no, we are not nuts. We had every right.
If this is all true, then I just hope that VY gets his head right before getting back into football. Depression is a serious condition, and not something to mess around with. Football shouldn't even be a priority right now if he's legitimately depressed.
QB a Cut(ler) above By Jim Armstrong The Denver Post So it's official then. The Broncos pulled off the steal of the 2006 draft when they grabbed Jay Cutler with the 11th pick. If they did draft-day do-overs in the NFL, Cutler would be the No. 1 pick ahead of Mario Williams and Antonio Cromartie. ... Tony Scheffler on Cutler launching the game-winning drive after throwing a crucial interception: "That's Jay. . . . You know what kind of nerves he's got and what kind of player he is. He wipes that out of his mind and goes to the next play." . . . You know what kind of nerves he's got. Therein lies the key to the Broncos' future. Cutler obviously is a major talent, but he's showing signs that he has "it," too. "It" being loosely defined as something John Elway had, but Brian Griese and Jake Plummer didn't. . . . Eighteen catches for Brandon Marshall. Does that mean if the Broncos make it to the postseason, Harvey Steinberg gets a playoff share? . . . Oh, and let's not forget that official who blew his whistle, negating Cutler's fumble in the closing seconds. He ought to at least get a spot on Mike Shanahan's Christmas card list. . . . Shanahan on the decision to go for two: "I didn't want to count on the coin flip." As in, if the Chargers had gotten the ball in overtime, they would have won the game. . . . The Geico Caveman scouting report on the Local 11: "Quarterback good. Tackling bad." . . . Champ Bailey on the Broncos' defense: "We just missed a couple of things here and there." Whew. For a minute there, I was thinking those guys had some issues. . . . Among the Las Vegas prop bets available before the season were Eddie Royal, over/under 400 receiving yards, and Cutler, over/under 21 touchdown passes. Can you say ca-ching! . . . By the numbers: The Chargers, who forced 48 turnovers last season, have forced two in two games. Not that, you know, they miss Shawne Merriman. . . . If you've misplaced your scorecard, that's twice in two games that Bailey, the last line of defense on the kickoff team, has had to keep the return man from going for six. And we won't even talk about Darren Sproles' 103-yard nature walk. . . . The Broncos are 2-0 vs. the point spread. I only mention it because they were 5-11 vs. the spread last season, ahead of only Baltimore at 3-13.. . . To paraphrase those political ads, I'm Mike Shanahan and I didn't approve of Brandon Marshall risking a %$#&* fumble with that ridiculous lateral to Brandon Stokley. . . . Stokley on going for two: "I'm a gambler, but I'm going for one right there." . . . OK, we're getting ahead of ourselves, putting these Broncos in the same sentence as the Broncos who won two Super Bowls, but here goes: Those Broncos never scored 80 points over two games, as these Broncos have. . . . http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10465051?source=rss
That is funny....if the Referee didn't screw up and blow that whistle, Denver would have blown that game. Cutler fumbled at the 2 yard line and the ref thought he was passing...it was a clear error, the next play, Cutler passed for the TD that gave them a chance to win. DD
Last time I checked Vince Young led a less talented team to the playoffs over Jay Cutler. Young might not have the big 300-400yd, 3+TD games, but he certainly doesn't put his team in jeopardy. I would still pick Young over Cutler. Cutler is improving, but he did get away with one yesterday.
Vince is about the worst quarterback in football. You could tell from Cutler's preseason games as a rookie that he was going to be a star. Merril Hoge REDEEMED. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFGucgncvYo&feature=related
Are you going to sit right here on clutchfans BBS and tell us that if you could do it over again, you'd take VY ahead of Cutler?
Even if he does lose that fumble and the chargers win, that takes nothing away from what he has shown from the perspective of being an NFL quarterback.
Matt Cassel is 2-0 and Carson Palmer is 0-2, that must mean Cassel is the better QB, right? No one individual "led" anyone to the playoffs. The team made it, because of a combination of efforts from 50 or so men -- some good, some bad. No one player did anything, when it comes to the final result. This isn't golf or tennis. Cutler is a good QB, and Vince is probably the worst in football. I was once on the other side of this debate, but you have to know when to cut your losses and admit you were wrong. I was; Vince is terrible.
I am not all that surprised at teh difficulty that VY is having in the NFL. Once the league got tape on him and the players got to compete against him, they adapted to his great athletic ability. Those bad angles that tehy were taking when he was a rookie arent happening any more. The defensive coordinators are making him beat them with his arm, and so far he has not been able to do that. John Elway was a great QB not because he could run, but because he could pick you apart from teh pocket. THEN if it broke down and you had his receivers covered, he could avoid the rush and pick up 25 yards on 3rd and 12.
Uhhh, I'm not sure that he isn't. Palmer has clearly taken a nose-dive since his injury in the play-offs and I don't think he's in the top half of NFL QB's. While I agree with what you're saying that may not have been the greatest example.
Eh, I'd still put him in the top eight or so -- I think it's Palmer's team that's taken the nosedive. That's why I use him -- I think he's the perfect example of a good quarterback trapped in a cancerous, talent-depleted situation. Perhaps a better example is Rex Grossman. After all, Rex has "led" his team to the Super Bowl in the past two years, while Cutler hasn't even made the playoffs. That must mean Grossman is superior to Cutler, right?
I agree that it is a team game, but oftentimes in a team game a particular part of the team performs better than another part and, in essence, "carries" them. Who do you think was more influential in getting the Titans to the playoffs - their defense or their QB? If Roy Oswalt wins a game 1-0, who "led" the Astros to victory? Was it their offense or their pitcher? Everyone contributed, but Oswalt was the main reason the team won.
