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[Rant] Education in America is getting lazy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Pizza_Da_Hut, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. percicles

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    You must have gotten the steak knives.
     
  2. BetterThanI

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    Good thing, too, 'cause third prize was: you're fired!

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  3. orbb

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    some students prefer not to answer questions even if they know the answer. i think your lecturer was trying to give you a hint on your 'tude, but obviously it wnet over your head. with this attitude, you are going to have a difficult time in the workplace.

    chill. you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
     
  4. Angkor Wat

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    Everybody learns different.
     
  5. SwoLy-D

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    Lazy ass. :rolleyes:


    ;)

    I agree, brother. I call anyone who takes shortcuts as "LAZY." Anyway, to get out of Houston faster during a hurricane, take Clay Rd. as a shortcut. :)

    I bet you were in "Honors" classes in high school and everyone else in that college classroom took "regular" :p
     
  6. yuantian

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    a lot times i know the answers, but why the **** should i answer it? if you don't get it, you don't get it. go read the ****ing book. i spent a lot time just chatting with friends before/after class and reading newspaper/onion during the class. when i go home, i just read the book and do homework. maybe it's because i am in math/statistics. it's one of those things, you either get it, or you don't. if you don't, sometimes it doesn't really matter how much you try you still don't get it. so if people don't know the answer, telling them the answer isn't going to help them if the question is changed just a little bit. so why bother answering questions? just study on your own and keep your mouth shut. besides, if other people suck at it, it's good for your grades, no need to help them. :D just kidding.
     
  7. Classic

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    A very brillant man once said: "No child left behind"

    Basically, so as to not hurt people's self esteem, the public education system has started catering to the less intellegent kids so they don't get their feelings hurt. This way ignorant parents can't scream sexism, racism, discrimination or anything else that could be implied as being politically incorect and therefore get a school and/or district sued. It's called personal responsibility and parents stopped caring when they figured out that the school system should take responsibility for raising their children.
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    As a biophysicist, you're wrong. A covalent bond has a low dipole moment and it has molecular orbital hybridization.
     
  9. jsmee2000

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    I used to teach at a University for three years. Currently, I am in a leave of absence while I get my PhD and will be back teaching at the same University sooner than later.

    Anyhow, here is my rant... I usually have very short quizzes every Friday that will ask you questions regarding the homework from the previous week. If you do the homework correctly, there is a really good chance that you will succeed with no problems in my class. However, the problem is that the students did not do the homework until the night before the quiz because I do not grade or collect the homework. The problem is that they didn't know how to solve the problems because they didn't have enough time and they didn't come to my office hours to ask me questions. Let me state that I had 10 hours of office hours a week. That is a lot of time for help and it was rarely used. Week after week they would get bad grades and not do anything about it. So when time came for me to give the grades for the class I gave them what they deserved. I was then scolded by the department chair because I expected too much from my students. He also didn't like that I graded in a curve (which done in almost all engineering and science classes). Which I think is pathetic because I am giving the grades away for no effort. I had a pretty lenient grading scheme (>85 A, >70 B, >55 C, >40 D, and <40 F). Nonetheless, the class average was in the lower B range and that did not make students happy. The next year I was forced to change the way I grade, dumb down the way I teach the class, and remove the quiz instead of homework policy. Ridiculous! The problem in engineering is that the next class depends on your previous class. Because some students just don't care, then when you teach the next level up class, those students will not know the information that is expected of them. So do you assume they are supposed to know it? Or do you dumb it down so that all can follow? The last item I against because it would be disservice to the student that know it. I always try to teach my Sophomore to Junior classes at a level of B/B- student, Senior classes at the level A-/B+ student (these classes tend to be electives as well), and grad courses at a student level of A

    Nowadays, parents will complain to the department chair and college deans about their kids grades. What world do we live in? This is college...the place where kids are made into respectable professional. What a joke!

    Most parents are in denial b/c they did so well in high school but are suffering in college. "How could that be", they ask. The problem does not lie in college...it really stems from the high schools in this nation and the no child left behind crap.

    Also, parents need to remember that all those top students like their child were chosen to join this engineering program. So they all are competing against each other.

    I could keep on going but I got to stop...now you got me all fired up about it.
     
  10. shastarocket

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    Look Pizza, If Organic Chem at U of A is ANYTHING like Organic Chem the rest of the nation's universities face, IT WILL GET HARDER There will be 40+ rxns to memorize and apply at the same time, TONS of mechanisms to effectively demonstrate, a good amount of fact question like reactivities and last but def. not least you have the synthesis questions that challenge you to come up with your own rxn pathway to get to a product given only some simple starting materials and a complex product...

    You will be challenged and it will be totally friggen awesome! I loved it so much, I got a job working in an Organic Chem synthesis lab and I am a Bio Major heading to Baylor College of Medicine next yr.

    Btw, I still cant understand why a junior (I am assuming you are a junior) like yourself is complaining that a freshmen level bio lab is too easy....
     
  11. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    I guess it came out wrong, like i said it's a rant. I'm not complaining about the fact it's too easy, I'm complaining about the fact that if given a chance people wouldn't even show up to class. I know this **** and I still show up on the off chance I learn something new. Most students really couldn't care about anything that goes on. Honestly, if you made a class where the students got an easy "A" for just showing up on the first day I think half the entire school would sign up for it. The passion to learn is gone. I was more upset about the fact that not a single person in the class wants to ask questions, answer questions or do a damn thing.

    And jsmee2000, I spent two years as an engineer before I changed my major (EE). The thing I hated most about Engineering profs was the fact you couldn't ask why or where something came from. IE, I took digital logic and we were talking about all the gates (and, nor, nand...) and I asked how they "physically" worked, what was going on, and my prof said you'll never need to know or understand that. If you want go on the internet and research it yourself. You strike as a prof who doesn't do that, you don't give the abridged version and that deserves props.
     
  12. apocclass

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    Pizza da hut = sonned... not only was he wrong, but he's a whiny b!tch who isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.


    DAMN
     
  13. Hayesfan

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    I just started back to school in the summer to get my masters and so far I haven't had this issue. I have been taking 100 and 200 level classes though and they haven't been dumbed down that I can tell.

    Maybe it's the university policies that is the problem?
     
  14. Air Langhi

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    You did EE and they didn't teach how an and gate is physically made? I think there is something really screwed up about that department. If your prof didn't know he should be fired on the spot.
     

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