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Oh, so THAT'S what a 'Community Organizer' does..

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Nero, Sep 9, 2008.

  1. Nero

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    South Side Veterans For Truth

    (Some may find it interesting... I have honestly been curious about this.. if anyone else has some actual factual contrast as counterpoint, have at it) :)


    "Last week we wrote that " 'community organizer' is to Barack Obama what 'war hero' was to John Kerry." We didn't know the half of it.

    Kerry staked his claim to the presidency on the pretense that he was a war hero, notwithstanding his showy repudiation decades earlier of the war and his fellow veterans. According to a new exposé in the liberal New Republic, Obama, before embarking on a career in politics, similarly, albeit quietly, repudiated "community organizing," only to re-embrace it decades later, apparently out of political expediency.

    TNR's John Judis tracked down Jerry Kellman, who in 1985 "hired Obama to organize residents of Chicago's South Side." Kellman describes a conversation the two "community organizers" had at a conference on "social justice" in October 1987:

    "[Obama] wanted to marry and have children, and to have a stable income," Kellman recalls.

    But Obama was also worried about something else. He told Kellman that he feared community organizing would never allow him "to make major changes in poverty or discrimination." To do that, he said, "you either had to be an elected official or be influential with elected officials." In other words, Obama believed that his chosen profession was getting him nowhere, or at least not far enough. . . .

    And so, Obama told Kellman, he had decided to leave community organizing and go to law school.

    Another way of putting this might be that Obama left community organizing because he wanted a job in which he had actual responsibilities (and, of course, earned more money).

    But Obama did not decide only that "community organizing" was not for him. Judis reports the future senator took part in a September 1989 symposium in which he "rejected the guiding principles of community organizing: the elevation of self-interest over moral vision; the disdain for charismatic leaders and their movements; and the suspicion of politics itself." Later, Obama "would begin to construct a political identity for himself that was not simply different from his identity as a community organizer--but was, in fact, its very opposite."

    Judis offers the closest thing we've heard to a job description for "community organizers." What they do, he writes, is "unite people of different backgrounds around common goals and use their collective strength to wring concessions from the powers that be." To help illuminate this rather vague description, Judis also enumerates some of the tasks Obama and his colleagues undertook.

    Before Obama's arrival in Chicago, Kellman and his "partner," Mike Kruglik, set out "to revive the region's manufacturing base--and preserve what remained of its steel industry--by working with unions and church groups to pressure companies and the city; but those hopes were quickly dashed." Apparently the presence of "community organizers" is not a strong selling point for companies making location decisions. Go figure.

    Obama set his sights lower, but still missed the mark. He "got community members to demand a job center that would provide job referrals, but there were few jobs to distribute." Then "he tried to create what he called a 'second-level consumer economy' . . . consisting of shops, restaurants, and theaters. This, too, went nowhere."

    These efforts at economic development having failed, Obama "began to focus on providing social services for Altgeld Gardens," a government-owned and -operated apartment complex:

    "We didn't yet have the power to change state welfare policy, or create local jobs, or bring substantially more money into the schools," [Obama] wrote. "But what we could do was begin to improve basic services at Altgeld--get the toilets fixed, the heaters working, the windows repaired." Obama helped the residents wage a successful campaign to get the Chicago Housing Authority to promise to remove asbestos from the units; but, after an initial burst of activity, the city failed to keep its promise. (As of last year, some residences still had not been cleared of asbestos.)

    It is both funny and scary that one of America's major political parties would offer this record of sheer futility as its nominee's chief qualification to be president of the United States. Even more striking, though, is how alien the world in which Obama operated was by comparison with the world in which normal Americans live.

    Reader, when your toilet breaks, do you wait around for some Ivy League hotshot to show up and organize a meeting so that you can use your collective strength to wring concessions from the powers that be?

    Or do you call a plumber?

    As a "community organizer," Obama toiled within a subculture of such abject dependency that even home repairs were "social services," provided by government (or, in Obama's Chicago, not provided). It was an utterly bizarre intersection between the cultural elite and the underclass. By Judis's account, Obama's Columbia degree was useless. He would have been more helpful if he'd gone to vocational school instead.

    Judis quotes an Altgeld resident as telling Obama, "Ain't nothing gonna change. . . . We just gonna concentrate on saving our money so we can move outta here as fast as we can." Certainly no one can fault Obama for doing the same thing. But what did Obama move outta there to do? To become a politician--specifically, an "idealistic" politician who wants "to make major changes in poverty." Guys like that created this mess in the first place.

    In his political career, has Obama done or even said anything to suggest that he has a different approach to "poverty," one that would reduce dependency rather than promote it? His recent rediscovery of the glories of "community organizing" certainly isn't an encouraging sign."
     
  2. Jugdish

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    That's really poorly written. The author never addresses the premise that he's unearthed his community organizer past for political gains.

    And he realized that he could do more by becoming an elected official, so he worked hard and did it? The scoundrel!
     
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    Maybe it's just me...but does this type of poor article really convince undecided voters to not vote for Obama, or is it just something to make the right wing destroyers of this great country feel better?
     
  4. cson

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    "Another way of putting this might be that " this election season all sides are eager to produce the next big hit that will be as successful as Swift Boat. :rolleyes:
     
  5. justtxyank

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    Now this is a funny article.

    It's premise is that he was a community organize and became disenfranchised because he couldn't make the difference he wanted to so he went on to get into politics int he hopes that he could change the country and this means the fact that he was a community organizer is an insult?
     
  6. Apollo Creed

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    It also amuses me as well...they're trying to criticize him using the argument that he went into politics to help more people. It's like building a brick house on a frozen lake.
     
  7. Nero

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    No, I think the point was that there is not any particular success, or even any particular accomplishment *at all* that he achieved in his halcyon days as a 'Community Organizer, and yet it keeps being touted as something great, when it clearly wasn't.

    Like I said, if anyone has anything to contrast, or counter-point, some list of accomplishments he managed as 'C.O', I actually would like to see it, since nobody has really said much about it..
     
  8. durvasa

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    There was just too much bull **** in these first few paragraphs for me to continue.
     
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  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    No BS

    I was on the bus home and a woman had printed out this article from WSJ online. I was reading it what bits I could see while she read and I got home and looked for this article as a positve for obama.

    after being able to read more, its poorly written, or something we many not be used to

    OBJECTIVE :eek:
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Yeah, such information is very hard to come by.

    Of course, I just entered "obama community organizer" into google and I pulled up half a million results, including multiple feature-length magazine and newspaper articles about his time as a community organizer.

    But other than all that stuff, and the parts about it in his books - there's like nothing at all out there.
     
  11. Nero

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    I meant nobody has said anything about it in here.. I have better things to do with my time than go out there searching out knob-polishing articles in the msm about obama.

    I notice still no one has bothered to post anything yet as a counter-point.

    Not saying that proves anything, just sayin..
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Why would anybody bother posting a counter-point to you?

    First, you really haven't even made a purportedly valid point in the first place. Accordingly it's really difficult to counter...well, nothing really.

    Second You have already shown your cards in this thread; anything that is contrary to the story you want to tell (but have not yet told) you're simply going to shout "MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIBERAL BIAS!" like you just did above.

    Accordingly, you give no incentive for anybody to do anything in this thread except to briefly note your own intellectual clumsiness and then move on. So with that said, I'm moving on.

    /thread.
     
  13. Apollo Creed

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    I can't remember who it was, but are you the guy who always does stuff like this? Posts something false and then tries to make everyone else "prove you wrong"?

    I seriously doubt anyone here is going to waste their time finding sources for a person who clearly isn't interested. If you wanted to be informed you would actually put forth effort on your own, but you are content to believe what you want to believe, and I doubt any posters here could convince you otherwise.
     
  14. gifford1967

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    Sam,

    If you can provide Nero with a feature from the John Birch Society newsletter on Obama's accomplishments as a community organizer he will be more than willing to read it with an open mind.
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I don't think anyone ever said community organizer was a qualification to be president.

    same as oh I don't know, POW

    or maybe just an indicator of CHARACTER

    same as said POW
     
  16. Nero

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    Neither have I. I don't like McCain anyway, and have never stated otherwise.

    Apollo: No, must be someone else.

    Actually, I just thought the original editorial was somewhat interesting because it addressed an issue that I had not seen anyone talk about in here yet. In the past, posters have leaped tall buildings to show their internet mightiness, and I guess I figured people might do the same here, rather similar to when I asked about why people kept insinuating Obama was a Muslim, and what the counter was.. at that time, may people were helpful and informative.

    However, in this particular instance, I was interested in *facts*, and admittedly have no interest in wading through the mountains of gushing and glowing sonatas to his greatness. Was hoping someone actually had something distilled, but I guess not.

    I really was curious, but not enough to brave the nausea of having to wade through the fluff looking for the facts..

    Main reason I am curious, and I imagine other people may be too, is that around here, 'Community Organizer' sort of equates to people like 'Quanell X'.. and it made me wonder if maybe this was the level of 'community organizing' Obama was doing.. in particular, the red-flag phrase 'social justice' was highlighted in the original piece.

    Just seems to me that as much as the campaign people are happy to tout the phrase 'community organizer', as though people just automatically know what that means, and that there is therefore no need to enumerate the details, is a little bit of a con game.

    In turn, makes me wonder if maybe there are some things that perhaps they don't really want everyone to know about? I don't know, that's why I ask.

    Failures? Unsavory behaviors? Or more likely just completely unremarkable..

    However, frankly, sam, I don't care if you respond or not. Call it idle curiosity.

    And Gifford, dude, man you are really good with the zingers.. you SO got me.. John Birch.. oww. Seriously, you should turn pro.
     
  17. Nice Rollin

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    can we not put obama and quanell x in the same sentence ever again.
     
  18. Oski2005

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    I guess the role of a community organizer is to get ridiculed for trying to help people.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    No, you have demonstrated that your feeling here is the opposite of curiosity . . . rather than genuinely wanting to know, you indicated that you have no interest in finding out the answer to your query, for reasons previously stated.
     
  20. pgabriel

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    i mentioned this in the thread i started and the convention thread on the speeches. these are code words, we know who obama was helping, if palin was a community organizer for the rural folks in alsaka, or someone for the rural folks of nebraska, it would be looked on a totally different way.
     

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