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Was Biden vetted?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 3, 2008.

  1. basso

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    somehow i don't think we'll see Campbell Brown or KO asking this question.

    but if they had any sense of decency, they would, and the times would have 3 above the fold front-pagers on it.

    [rquoter]WAS JOE BIDEN VETTED? What does Biden’s daughter’s arrest say about Obama’s judgment?

    Apparently, Joe Biden’s daughter was arrested six years ago in Chicago and charged with obstructing police after someone else threw a bottle at a police officer. She reportedly also said something to the effect of, “Do you know who I am?”

    Now, I wonder, will James Carville ask on CNN what this says about Barack Obama’s judgment in choosing Biden as his running mate?

    If Carville can question John McCain’s judgment in choosing a running mate, Sarah Palin, whose 17-year-old daughter got pregnant, is he willing to question the competence of Obama for selecting a man whose 21-year-old daughter allegedly interfered with lawful police work?

    Fit to print? I’m half-joking here because I know parents cannot be with their children every minute of the day and night, and even politicians cannot be held to account for everything their children do, however old the kids are. But I’m totally serious when I wonder if the story of Biden’s daughter (or the ethical questions about Biden’s lobbyist son) will get even half the attention that Palin’s law-abiding daughter got over the last few days.

    Will The New York Times run three Page 1 stories on Biden’s daughter? We all know the answer to that question.[/rquoter]
     
  2. pgabriel

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  3. SamFisher

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    The answer is yes he was

    the reason why nobody is hopped up on Biden is because he's a known commodity with a record in public life stretching back several decades. All of his strengths, and many of his weaknesses, have been known for years. In fac the man ran for President of the United States last year - perhaps you missed it.

    Palin meanwhile is a complete unknown with little to no public record.

    Are you so incredibly dense so as to not be able discern this on your own?

    Or are you starting this thread as part of your comically hilarious belief that you are swaying the election by means of thread starting - (if so, the empirical evidence on this BBS indicates that you are doing a tremendously lousy job of such).
     
  4. A_3PO

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    Another stupid thread from basso, what a surprise.
     
  5. SWTsig

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    SWEET LORD IN HEAVEN, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP.
     
  6. LScolaDominates

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    Vetting can be done any number of ways. What you don't want, though, is for a significant amount of that process to occur in an uncontrolled setting like the internet, especially if you have a bunch of dirty laundry. It doesn't matter who has or hasn't been formally "vetted". What matters is the shock value of emerging scandals, no matter how innocuous they may seem to the more sophisticated among us (whoever they may be; certainly not anybody here ;) ). That's why Rev. Wright was a big deal, and it's why everything coming out about Pallin and her family is so overblown.
     
  7. Oski2005

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    When did the New York Times run a 3 page story on Palin's daughter? Oh that's right, they didn't.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    does any of you guys know how the freakin' media works?

    biden has been in the public eye for freakin' 30 years. so unless something big happens, nobody cares.

    here you have palin, a COMPLETE UNKNOWN, so it's obvious any new news to us will be big news. the media wants to know EVERYTHING about her. if she was romney, i doubt a lot of these would be big news.

    why does jamie lynn spears' pregnancy (she was a newbie) get more coverage than say jessica alba? urrg
     
  9. Lil Pun

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    The hypocrisy is killing me. Republicans and Democrats alike have stated children and family members are off-limits yet people keep talking about this stuff. Give it a rest.
     
  10. basso

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    "revises." heh. he's a serial reviser.

    [rquoter]Biden revises claim he was ‘shot at’ in Iraq
    By Susan Crabtree

    Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) — whose garrulous ways have led to a number of verbal gaffes over the years — has revised a dramatic comment that he was “shot at” in the Green Zone during a trip to Iraq.

    Biden made the brief comment during the CNN/YouTube Democratic debate two weeks ago, as he was emphasizing how difficult it would be to redeploy U.S. citizens and troops out of Iraq if the U.S. decided to withdraw in six months.

    “Let’s start telling the truth,” he said. “Number one, you take all the troops out — you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die, number one.”

    When asked for a detailed account of the experience, Biden described three incidents on two separate Iraq trips in which he felt that he was shot at or might have been shot at. Only one of them took place inside the Green Zone, he said, and involved a “shot” landing outside the building where he and other senators were staying. He added that the vehicle he was traveling in the day before might also have been hit.

    Biden said the incident happened in the morning while he and at least one other senator were shaving. Although he said it shook the building, he wasn’t rattled enough to duck and cover.

    “No one got up and ran from the room—it wasn’t that kind of thing,” he said. “…It’s not like I had someone holding a gun to my head.”

    Thinking about it now, he said, a more accurate comment would have been: “I was near where a shot landed.”

    Biden aides have provided greater details of the three incidents in an e-mailed account: In December 2005, Biden and his staff spent the night in the Green Zone. At about 6:30 a.m., they heard mortars fired a few hundred yards away, which shook the aides’ trailer and rattled the building where Biden was getting ready for the day.

    “A soldier came by to explain what happened and said if the mortar fire continued, they would need to proceed to a shelter,” according to the aides.

    During the same December 2005 trip, a bullet narrowly missed the helicopter that Biden and his aides were flying in en route to the Baghdad airport from the Green Zone. But the most harrowing episode, according to an aide present, took place in December 2004, while Biden was leaving Iraq in a C-130 cargo airplane. The plane’s anti-missile system was triggered, indicating that they had been fired upon by a surface-to-air missile.

    “When mortars are fired into the Green Zone or surface-to-air missiles are fired at a plane, they don’t have names or addresses on them,” Biden spokeswoman Elizabeth Alexander wrote. “The nuance of being shot at or shot near means nothing in a war zone. The point Sen. Biden was making is that Iraq is a dangerous place — for our troops, for Iraqis, for everyone.”

    Patrick Campbell, legislative director for Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, said Biden should be careful about how he describes his experiences, especially when making political points.

    “Veterans don’t like it when people mischaracterize their service, people who overstate what happens to them,” he said. “We
    have names for them.”

    Campbell also said the word “shot at” implies that “someone with an AK-47 pops up and is taking shots at you.” He thought Biden was more likely referring to mortars or rockets that insurgents periodically launch into the Green Zone but are more random in nature, as his aides later described.

    For Stephen Hess, a professor of media and public affairs at George Washington University and a longtime political observer, Biden’s comment about being “shot at” simply reaffirms his reputation as loose-lipped and long-winded.

    “There he goes again, as Ronald Reagan would say,” Hess remarked. “Unfortunately, it fits into his profile, and that’s exactly why he should be terribly careful about statements that may not quite parse out or deconstruct under scrutiny.”

    Earlier this year, Biden stirred controversy by calling Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), an opponent in the race, “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and is a nice-looking guy.”

    Yet even some would-be critics are giving Biden some benefit of the doubt.

    Brookings Institution scholar Michael O’Hanlon, who co-authored a July 30 New York Times op-ed that argued in favor of continuing the Bush’s administration surge strategy, said Iraq is a dangerous place for civilians traveling there, even though that risk is nowhere near what soldiers on the ground face every day.

    O’Hanlon said the typical U.S. soldier or Marine on patrols for a year has about a 1 percent chance of dying and a 10 percent chance of being seriously wounded.

    Even though Biden is a long shot for the Democratic nomination, he is one of the leading Democratic voices on foreign policy. He was the first Democratic presidential candidate to suggest a detailed plan to split up Iraq along ethnic lines with a federal government only for common interests. Hess said these credentials make him a contender for vice president or a top-level cabinet post in any Democratic administration.

    “He’s quite an honorable man and he has been [to Iraq] a lot more than many other senators and deserves credit for that,” Hess said. “All he had to do is rein in his rhetoric — get it right.”[/rquoter]
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    ^How dare you, you disgusting sexist/racist/Nazi! You owe an apology to everyone in the universe for saying "Heh!" How dare you! Now I will start ninety threads to say the exact same thing on a board where not one single person has ever done anything but mock me here! I am basso! Hear me whine!
     
  12. SamFisher

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    ^ there was a democratic presidential debate two weeks ago? Wow what did I miss!
     
  13. Ottomaton

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    The interesting insight that I get from this thread is that basso is really feeling upset and confused about his party's choice of Palin. Of course he won't admit it (maybe not even to himself), but that is the only reason to start an, "I know you are but what am I" type of thread.
     
  14. pirc1

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    If Obama wins, what will Basso do? I am serious. :D

    One thing I will say for Mccain, he is better than Bush II (I hope if he get elected he doesn't die while in office).
     
  15. Apollo Creed

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    Well I hope he does a certain something, but saying what might get me banned.
     
  16. rocket3forlife2

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    Lmao

    Lmao

    Lmao
     
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    Of course he is, but that's a pretty low bar.

    Back on topic. Was Biden vetted? Heck Biden's been more vetted than Obama.
     

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