Kinda interesting. I'm 25 and came across a lot of women who always say "I don't want a man under 30(or no less than 5yrs older)". I'm more of a responsible person and I know what my priorities are. I think the major factor in this is whether or not that man has kids. Once you get kids you can't put yourself as the primary priority in life. Even when you have bills to pay you still have time for videogames, parties, etc as long as you keep your finances in order. As for myself I got to parties once in a while but not often, play videogames a lot, watch basketball and football when I can, and if not then I'm always watching anime or reading manga. This will never change about me. I'll be 40 and still watching anime and playing videogames. I think people fail to realize that the most mature thing you can do is be yourself. Of course this is also provided that you set your priorities straight. I been the same way as long as I can remember, and ever since bills started coming up it hasn't been any trouble to make sure I got them taken care of and my lifestyle hasn't changed one bit since college. The only thing I haven't done is commit to a long term relationship but that's more because a lot of these women won't get off their high horse and it's not easy finding one with their feet on the ground.
Using videogame proficiency as an indicator of immaturity is ridiculous. Videogames are a part of life now. A majority of the execs I work with have Wiis or PS3s.
I rarely get off the couch, usually when the wife tells me to. I drink, smoke, gamble, steal p*rn and software off of the internet. But I turn 30 next year, so I guess it's still okay.
Why is something in the back of my head quietly reciting, "who really cares?" To further the quote,"Society doesn't give a rat's ass about you." Is pretty true as long as you are not wielding a shotgun around with bomb strapped to your chest, or receiving welfare benefits from the government. People generally don't care if you play video games all day, get drunk, chase after whor...harlots, I mean, and pursue dead end jobs just so you can fill Friday Night quotas. You tell this whole "Guyland" article and book is pro-family values (aka anti-fun) propaganda. Let's just be honest, everyone is not cut out for marriage or a family or even deserves one. In fact, some people have done both a little too much. Kind of like what the Major, everyone is not cut out for such a vanilla lifestyle. Could you imagine a world with no foul language, sports, video games, strip joints, toliet humor, and loads of beer everywhere. 17th Century in Puritan America, definitely. If some of the youngster or international posters are not familiar with Puritans...just Google it or throw it into Wikipedia. Not the kind of people I would invite to a bachelor's party. I'm not saying people shouldn't have responsiblity...but in this whole "pseudo" 1950s b.s. Besides, wasn't that like one of the most boring decades in recent memories?
Actually I think its not really pro-family values. Its just analyzing why society is shifting to this new "30 is the new 20" scenario, especially with men. I don't really see the guy saying that the guys who "won't grow up" are bad people or aren't doing what they SHOULD be doing, etc.
Man, I see in my generation the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
Right on Tyler. I think most of the angry responses to this article miss the point. The "problem," and I use that term loosely, is that young men are filling this new period in their lives with pretty shallow stuff. It's not that you have to get married right out of high school, but there's something wrong with a society where alcohol, video games, and fairly superficial 'buddy' relationships are the major focus of a decade or more of your life. The greatest periods in history, Hellenistic Greece, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, etc. all had a concept of individual excellence, arete, well-roundedness. While fun and debauchery has its place, it's a sad thing if the deepest bonds one has in life are formed over games of quarters, or one's greatest passions in life include blowing up digitized cars. When the vast majority of one's life is spent trying to escape, medicate, or distract from it, something has gone wrong.
The reason some people are getting defensive is because of how it seems that we are being generalized and lumped together into one category of lazy, narrow minded, shallow do nothings. Which isn't entirely true. Honestly, I feel like most of the guys he's describing are just playing the hand they are dealt and enjoying their 20's as much as they can because they only come once. Ironic that most if not every single married guy I've talked to in his 30's and 40's tells me the same thing: Wait till your 30. Travel, date a lot of women, have a lot of fun. You have the rest of your life to build up fortune, and settle, and be at peace. In short: what's the rush?
what you said might be true, but i think the writer gives a somewhat objective report and is hoping to help make things better for everyone. did you read the article?
I haven't read one comment stating that the author didn't make good points. He did. He also seemed to be squarely placing blame. On us. And why? Just because we don't follow some particular model or formula we're somehow not grown up? That is what some of us are taking offense too. Even me, and I'll be 33 here in a few months.
Ofcourse I read it, it was extremely repetitive. If he couldn't write an article without repeating the same thing over and over, imagine how much his book must suck. I do agree with some of his viewpoints. It's his tone towards the "guy age group" that pisses me off. Young men are products of society, and you can't blame us for wanting to be happy. We can't all be what we want to be. There are limits for every man. We accept that, and we make the most of it. After school, we work until we retire, then we retire until we die.
Great Insight Above. His tone was very condescending and it never ended...it went on for 4 pages of banality. Also to the part where you say "we work until we retire, then we retire until we die." You can add "pay taxes," "contribute to the economy and market (especially the leisure and recreational industries - would be less jobs without them)," fight wars for aging chickenhawks," "keep the population numbers in check," and "keep society fresh and innovative (...with our ever growing shorter attention spans that means you have to do things that no one else has done before or do something that will catch our attentions).
Agreed, I've been saying this for years. Blame women's movement, political correctness agendas and the "evening out" of everything. All of them work by marginalizing the importance of men. That panel of people in the first video is almost a microcosm of society now - agressive, pushy mouthy women and soft semi-masculine guy. Women are more confusing now, cuz they have more options. Either the "traditional" role, career minded role, both, or just gold digging flooze. Which is a good thing to have options, but it'll take some time to adjust to. I don't know of any man in any era that wants to settle down with a "go get it yourself" woman.
Don't wanna... Can't make me! Seriously though, that article sucks, there is no why although I'm sure there is more in the book than anecdotal evidence and examples of boy-men.
I always thought if you like something, you don't have to stop liking it. I have a friend who's 40-something year old wife watches Laguna Beach. No one is telling her she needs to mature, cuz I guess having a kid being a mommy is all the proof of responsibility she needs. We grew up in the electronic, multimedia, music videos, saturday morning cartoons and video games age from birth. Still I havent played my Xbox in years and listen to more AM radio. So maturity can happen when you're not looking. Guys know when the "party's" over, when they start losing hair and a couple games of b-ball wont shrink down that gut anymore.
