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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DearRock, Mar 11, 2002.

  1. DearRock

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    ...strides with both his finishing around the basket and passing. I have not checked but I believe his fg% has been climbing over the past two months and it seems like he is finishing better and not getting blocked as much. In fact he is almost money in the bank with his penetration and seem to get the foul call to go along with the basket.

    That pass to Cato was unbelievable and is also a reflection of his improved passing.

    All this to say the KT is a keeper.
     
  2. BigM

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    i agree, kenny has won me over this year. he has as good of footwork as any bigman in the game, and his first step is like a second cuttino. he hustles his butt off and plays strong defense for someone who is always undersized. his only weakness is his height, and unfortunately we can't do anything about that. i'd love to keep him, but if we want that 3(lamar, rashard, etc.) we have to give up talent and i'm sure kenny's stock is extremely high.
     
  3. red

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    id still ike to see a pullup jumper from about 4-6 feet away from the basket...but i still like what i see out there.
     
  4. Sane

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    More and more, KT's making me want to join the "Get rid of Mo-T" club. I don't know if having Mo's contract on the bench would be beneficial to our team. I mean, say what you want, but no one thought Griffin would be a Franchise 4. Everyone, including Mo, thought Griffin would be able to play the 3 effectively. But the fact remains that it hampers his shotblocking ability, and he can't defend perimeter players. Neither can Mo-T, and he has no shotblocking to begin with. It seems to me like we'd be better off trading him for a player that has a shorter contract. A deal that would clear our glut at the F spots. I'm looking at Phoenix, because I love what Bo Outlaw brings, although he's undersized. My dream trade would be to get Odom though.

    Could we pull off both?


    - Our 2 picks(we pick for them) + KT for Odom.
    - Mo Taylor for Bo Outlaw (salaries work)


    Why would Phoenix do that though, right? They already have Googs. If it did though:

    Cato/Willis
    Griffin/Outlaw/Odom
    Rice/Odom(Odom gets most minutes)/T-Mo
    Mobley/Torres/Odom
    Francis/Mooch/Odom


    Don't tell me it would be stupid to bench Odom. It's the minutes that matter, and on this team, Griffin can average as many as Steve or Mobley. He plays al positions, so it won't be a problem. Look at the energy off the bench. If we wanted to really go defensive, we could play Outlaw alongside Griffin and Cato. Try to get a lay-up there.


    I know it's unrealistic, but I'm hoping for at lesat one of those, while I'm hoping we don't get younger (draft). I mean, Odom's young, but not THAT young. Only thing that would interest me in the draft is Ming, and it's a pipe dream.
     
  5. kidrock8

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    FG% is really a bad indicator of how well a guy can finish. Doesn't Cato have a really good FG%?

    KT still blows as high of a percentage of layups from a PF/C that I've seen this year.

    Most of it comes off his little dribble spin move, where he loses track of where he is in conjuction with the goal.
     
  6. kidrock8

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    Phoenix would do a Mo Taylor for Outlaw trade.

    Outlaw has been horrible this year. Plus, Phx is desperate for scoring from a PF/C. Googs is healthy, but he is a below average PF. Moreover, he is too slow to keep up with Marbury, Marion, and Penny.

    I think the Suns would give us their #1, and Outlaw for Mo.

    That projected lineup you have would be pretty damn good. It would definitely get us in the playoffs. We would probably be a 5 or 6 seed.
     
  7. Houston-in-LA

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    I'm also loving KT's play right now and even more so because he's upping his trade value right now for the offseason!!

    Keep up the good work KT!! Seattle could really use a guy like you!
     
  8. DearRock

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    Given the way this team gets injuries I think we should pay attention to depth. KT's play is great and getting better but I do not see it as a ticket to get rid of MoT because he brings low post scoring and bulk which we need no matter how good EG and KT plays. If EG, KT and MoT are all injury-free next year, I would take them over any scenario to bring in Odom or Lewis. That is because I think those guys will come in and the system will still make them ineffective. On the other hand if the system changes, our current crop of SF's will deliver.

    Kidrock, about his fg%, I thought it was improving. Having looked at his stats, fg% has improved from 44% in Dec to 53% in March with improvement also noticed in Jan and Feb. Interestingly, his steals and blocks a game has really jumped. Steals/game over the past four months: 1.14;1.36; 1.18; 1.44; and 1.67 and blocks per game: .71;.55;1.00;0.67; and 1.50. As a point of reference, the steals are better than those of Mobes and Wink. Also the steal matches or is slightly better than that of Lewis and the blocks are much better than Lewis despite KT being considered undersized. Do not get me wrong I believe Lewis is a special player but give KT his credit and due.
     
  9. Sane

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    Bo Outlaw is NOT having a bad season. More than anyone in the league, Outlaw has NOTHING to do with his stats.

    Also, it would be a por business decision to just let Googs and his 11M(?) come off the bench. That could be depth at 3 other positions. I do, on the other hand, think they should try to trade him to the Knicks. For Weatherspoon and Ward?


    It's obvious Phoenix is looking to get younger. I.E. get cap space, draft picks, young players. I definitely thikn a Marion/Taylor frontcourt would be excellent. Look at the strengths vs weaknesses. Paired with Marbury and Penny, they won't have problems.


    Taylor for Outlaw is a fair trade, but Phoenix would never throw in their pick, especially not in rebuilding mode. I would accept a straight-up swap, because Bo Outlaw is a crowd favourite, in his hometown, and is the type of player that reminds you to play D.
     
  10. GotGame15

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    Hey Sane, i know Odom might help us out, but I don't want a player that has a problem with anything. All the players that we got this year (e.g. Rice and MoT) ended up showing us more of their bad sides...for MoT it is rebounding and Defense, and for GMoney it is too old and bad knees.
     
  11. Bassfly

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    3 player trade!

    maurice taylor to phoenix
    penny hardaway to chicago
    ron artest to houston

    :eek:

    artest plays great defense, and can pitch in a few points too.
     
  12. Jared Novak

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    Don't know if anyone told you but Ron Artest was traded to the Indiana Pacers in a deal about two to three weeks ago.
     
  13. kidrock8

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    I know that Outlaw isn't a big-stats guy. I've watched him this year, and I've just seen too many blown layups and turnovers from him to think he's as good as he was with LAC and Orl.
     
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    This is a tough call. Do we keep Kenny or Mo? I suspect that one of them will have to go eventually, especially as Eddie gets closer to the point where he's ready for the starting spot. I'd love to keep both, but I just don't see it happening long-term. I don't know which one of them would be best to keep all things being equal, but it seems to me that KT would be the better guy to keep if Eddie's going to eventually get the start--I think. I can see KT coming off the bench a lot easier than Mo.
     
  15. kidrock8

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    Get rid of KT.

    He will be much easier to trade because of Mo's injury, and suspension.

    Moreoever, KT will never average 14 ppg like he is now, because he will never be a starter unless Mo gets hurt.
     
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    Let us talk defense? Check KT's stats, steals, rebounds, blocks. So he might miss a lay-up, who on the Rockets hasn't missed a lay-up? By the way? Who is more physical than KT? Do they have comparable stats? I am talking about steals, blocks, rebounds. KT didn't sleep with my girlfriend so I have a hard time doubting his numbers.

    Lottery or not, I would rather the Rockets would learn what it takes to win, not otherwise. I feel that the Rockets have the players, they just need to figure out what it takes.

    DEFENSE!!!!!!!
     
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    :D :D
     
  18. pecosbill

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    I have no proof of KT sleeping with someone's girl, but I only made that reference because a particular poster has been bashing KT from the start and KT's numbers just keep getting better, so I assume that KT slept with Kid...roc's girl.:) Geez, what do I know???:cool:
     
  19. DCkid

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    I don't know what game you're watching. That's the main thing that's impressed me about Kenny is how often he makes those shots off of the spin move. The only reason is FG% is lower than it should be is because he still takes the jumper, though not as often as he used to.

    Misses a high percentage of them? Please. At most its 50%, which is pretty damn good for the difficulty of the shots he takes.
     
  20. kidrock8

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    I never said they are easy shots. What I said is that he doesn't make them regularly like he would a normal layup.

    Why is he shooting 50% layups? Surely he can set himself up with easier shots, if he's such a great player for us.

    :rolleyes:
     

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