Gordon has reportedly made it clear that he's done with Chicago. He won't accept their 1 year tender & is looking for some S&T scenarios. If that fails, he's indicated that he'll entertain going to Europe. This sounds like the makings of a deal that suddenly pops up that Morey was referring to in his... ...comment in Clutch's interview. We have 2 contrasting styles of play here. Battier plays very good defense & can hit the spot up 3pt'r, but can't create his own shot. He's a very fundamentally sound basketball player that can play the SG/SF positions & is the consummate teammate. Gordon is an offensive juggernaut. He can light it up on you &, while not very effective thus far, can play PG. His defense is non-existent, but he'd be the perfect 6th man. So, my question to you is, would you give up some defense for the perfect 6th man? I believe Gordon would be very receptive to a S&T to Houston. Here's the trade I would propose. Houston sends Battier/Head/Hayes to Chicago. Chicago sends Gordon/Tyrus Thomas to Houston in a S&T. I assumed Gordon would be looking for a contract in the first year $8.0 million range & that Chicago still wants to dump Thomas. Chicago is facing the real possibility of losing Gordon for nothing & might bite on this offer. The question is, is this a deal you would do, if you were Morey/Adelman?
No. Not unless Artest is resigned. People might not want to think about it right now, but Artest is going for as much money as possible next season and I'm not convinced we'll be able to retain his services. Plus, I'm kinda curious to see how a Shane/Artest tandem works out. If it works it will be a defensive nightmare for opposing teams. Ben Gordon, while undersized and not a great defender, is actually a very efficient scorer. Our team could use someone with his talents but trading Battier is too much of a risk right now.
Im open to making that deal...but a small tweek would be include francis and keep hayas if possible...if you get gordon francis is no longer needed
We just got a 3rd scorer. Why would you want a guy who only helps a team by scoring, especially considering that you'd want to trade guys like Battier and Hayes, who can help the team even when they don't have the ball in their hands?
If we are looking at next season and next season only, I wouldn't trade Battier for Gordon but I definitely would trade him for Hinrich. If we are looking at the next few seasons, we don't trade Battier unless Artest is resigned. We can't lose both of our perimeter defenders.
I agree. If we dont resign Artest, whats the use in trading Battier. Tyrus Thomas would be a great pickup though.
i thought about this myself when i saw gordon was done in chicago... but to be honest for the team we have, ide rather have alston, who knows his role and is used to playing the style we play so yea. the answer is no.
If he could run the point I would do this in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, he can't and with how nuclear Artest is I would prefer to have Battier as an insurance policy just in case he goes whacko again.
Interesting, I think Gordon is much better than Battier offensively by creating his own shot from anywhere on the floor, but lacks the amazing defense Battier plays. I do not see Chicago taking this deal unless they get no offers other than us. If we could I would want to see Artest/Battier play, then decide if we should get Gordon, but we can not do that. So, to conclude, if Adelman/Morey have faith in Artest and feel like they do not need Battier, than yes I would do this trade: Head Hayes Battier For Gordon Gordon wants a 6 year/60-72 million contract or 5 year/50-62 million contract, so I do not think we would be able to also get Tyrus Thomas as well due to his potential and just salaries matching up. Although I am very happy with Battier/Artest combo next year if we do not dot this trade.
uhh, everyone answer should be...NO! battier is on another level then gordon. gordons offense is obvously better but his defense is that good. battier is an elite defender AND has some offense, also a very good 3pt shot, he can rebound, block and steal. ben gordon is better than battier only at offense.
Gordon is a rich man luther head. he's short and a chucker. no thanks. i'm not trading the second best primeter defender in the game for a rich man luther head. btw, artest is the best primeter defender.
ehhh yeah and Gordon is going to be asking for the bank too... forget it... How is his D against other pg's...? We need to concentrate on getting Landry or someone of his equivelance and Mutumbo back. Gordon can create his own shot but how is his D against pg's and other sg's? Let's test the waters first with the newly bought Artest before making any quick judgements about trading someone who has proven through the years to be great for us on the court and off the court.
i am not saying i agree with this trade, but scoring has always been our problem, we have the defense year in and year out, but the points are never there, so we would sacrafice some of battier's defense for a scorer, i have not seen a tremendous amount of gordon, enough to know that he can be quite streaky, like a jr smith, so the question is would his offense be there when we really need it. like ginobili, they put him in and it's usually insta-offense, i dunno i wouldn't make the trade i like battier and i like our team, what i am really pissed off about is my boy boki nachbar went to play for russia...damn haha
If Gordon puts his mind to it, he has the quickness and body type to better defend some of the league's bigger PGs. Having said that, if we traded Battier and didn't resign Artest, we would have another hole to fill after next season. Just looking at the current roster, Gordon would be more useful to us. He could come off the bench with Barry and give us a very strong backcourt.
No way, Gordon is just another Luther Head except he plays no defense, the only thing he has on Head is he drives in more, but Gordon is not worth it for Shane Battier.
I say no for a couple of reasons: A) Gordon wants to be paid. We aren't going to get him for 8 million a year, he wanted to be paid more than Deng. B) I think Gordon runs the same problem as Mike James did. He thinks he's much better than he is and is going to piss off Tmac taking shots out of the offense like Mike James did. Artest runs the same problem, but Artest is actually good, and Artest wants to win. C) I think at this point we need to look for role players. We should trade Battier for a guy that will fill a role. Not another combo guard that wants to dominate the ball.
