Just because a GM expects him to contribute immediately doesn't mean that he is going to be right. Dorsey can rebound,but he is foul prone and just as bad Hayes when it comes to FT's. Hayes has learned how to keep out of quick foul trouble and is the best defender out of all the 4's.
I say trade Luther Head now obviously for a more multi-dimensional player, Luther Head is by far one of the most one-dimensional players in the league.
That's an excellent point, durvasa. You know, I think a lot of folks here love Chuck. I certainly do. I'm not sure if there is a better value contract in the league. Having said that, you'd hear a lot less speculation about moving Hayes if he could SHOOT A FREAKIN' FREE THROW!!! Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest. Chuck shot 45.8% at the line last season! Jezus, Chuckster... go see Murph or someone, anyone, who can get your percentage up to 60%. Thanks in advance! (this is also one of the funniest threads I've read in a long time!)
LOL, it is a pretty entertaining thread. I understand your frustration about his free throws... but he only shot 24 FTs on the season... so it's not that big of a deal... 13 points is all he missed by shooting 45.8%. I'm more worried about the 113 points that Tmac gave up shooting only 68%.
Good point about the number of attempts, but his horrific % must play havoc with game decisions by Coach A and the staff. Another good point about Tracy. His FT shooting, at least, seems to be more along the line of an aberration. At least I hope so.
I wonder, however, if his horrible FT shooting affected the rest of his offense. My theory is that the drop in his FT% (he shot 62% the year before) and the total deterioration of his FT techniquue (he was convulsing at the line way more than he did the year before), was making Chuck afraid to go to the line and have people laugh at him. As a result, he's been either (1) throw up shots quicker than he should have, and avoid actually drawing fouls or (2) passing off shots he would have taken if he's not so afraid of having to step to the line. Most guys want to draw fouls, but when you shoot 45% with Chuck's form, you might actually be afraid to get fouled. Of course, I don't know what goes on in Chuck's head. However, the numbers seem to support my theory: his FT attempted went from 1.9 per 36 minutes to 0.5 per 36 minutes. His FG attempts were also down from 7.0 to 5.2 per 36... but the drop was not nearly as dramatic as his the drop in his FT attempted. His FG% dropped from 57% to 51%, which can be further evidence that he's been rushing shots. It really looks like he was TRYING to avoid FTs. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hayesch01.html
While I understand your logic, I would argue that Tracy should be on there and even Yao. I say that because your offensive team also helps the team's defense. IF you were talking situational defense may be but you are not calling a timeout after every defensive position. Tracy plays better defense than he gets credit for. I actually think now that he doesn't have to carry the offensive load we will see better defense from him. Personally, I think that Tracy remains the two and it is a toss up for who occupies the 3 and 4 positions between Hayes, Battier and Artest. If offense is a concern, and it should be, Hayes is the odd man out. If offense it not a concern, and it shouldn't be, Hayes is a legitimate candidate. As you possibly can tell I don't want the team to sacrifice its offense for its defense and vice-versa. Hayes' offensive skills, to me, is his primary weakness. Him being undersized is less of a factor to me if he could score on his own and not because of a T-Mac assist.
His shot attempts probably went down because he was able to get more assist attempts playing at the top of the key. His assists doubled from last year to this year... from .6 to 1.2. That's likely the difference on that fact. I doubt it's so much him rushing his shots as he was placed in a different location in the offense. He had two spots in the offense for the 06-07 season.. hiding under the basket or setting a screen and rolling. He rarely handled the ball more than a moment or two in an offensive possession. Whereas last season he was getting the ball at the top of the paint looking for cutters as the 4 or 5 on the court and setting the screen and roll or slipping the screen. I can see where he wouldn't want to get fouled, but I don't think that was the reason for his drop in percentage.
The thing is, though, in 06/07, he averaged 3.5 FG attempts per FT attempt. In 07/08, he averaged roughly 10 FG attempts per FT attempt. He may have handled the ball more in a different spot and that may explain his drop FG in Attempts from 7 to 5.2 per 36 minutes. However, his shot attempts pretty much all come from the same crowded paint area both years. It is a little strange that, all of a sudden, he started drawing fouls at only 1/3 of the previous rate. Thus, my theory is that he's been doing something to avoid drawing fouls.
It's entirely possible. Another factor to consider is the way he's getting his shot attempts. I'd have to compare how he was shooting from under the basket in comparison to how he was shooting when he got the ball from slipping the screen to see if it was him trying to avoid contact or simply being more wide open and just missing.
In any case, I hope Chuck gets better this year, at least get his FT shooting and his overall offense back to the level he was back in 06/07. His overall conversion rate on offense (a .587 TS%) on the limited number of shots he got in 06/07 was actually really good. Despite the fact that he didn't create any offense, his work on offensive boards and converting garbage shots was very useful. Givng up a layup to Chuck was not a good thing for the defense. But when he dropped to a .513 TS%, that's beginning to have a negative impact. He could still offensively rebound, but would be more useful if defense has to worry about him converting more efficiently.
We could really help the Suns if they trade Barbosa for Brooks, Hayes, Head, and Harris. The numbers are close enough to make it work, and they get enough back ups and role players to fill out their 15 man roster. Never a better time for a 4 for 1 trade.
Don't count on Yao and Landry staying healthy. We were so thin in the front, we signed Loren Woods AND Justin Williams as injury replacements. Chuck Hayes is a better player than a Loren Woods/Justin Williams no-name scrub, when Yao and Landry get injured.
the same case can be made for luther head, when tmac/barry get injured. the fact is (after reading trough 7 pages), that it's always better to have more talent than less. hayes and luther may not see the court at all until someone is injured, but when they are, you will be happy they're there. DM will look to get out of paying singletary and ewing. maybe by the deadline, if the team is facing the LT, DM will look to move either luther or hayes, or both.
We can count on T-Mac to play most of the season. He missed 16 games last season and 11 games the season before. Sure, Barry might be out those same 11-16 games, but it's not 27-34 games like Yao or the rest of the season and the playoffs like Landry. It's not that worrisome with both Battier and Artest. Yao missed 27, 34, 27 games in the last 3 years. That's 88 games, a whole season. Landry played only 2 months before getting injured.
Just looked at Barry's stats. He's pretty healthy for the last 4 years, last year was his only bad year. He missed only a game in 04-05, 8 games in 05-06, and 7 games in 06-07. Last year, he tore his right calf muscle and was out. Later, he got traded to Seattle and waited out a whole month to resign with the Spurs and play. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brent_barry/career_stats.html
