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[ClutchFans] Morey: More minor trades likely

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Aug 14, 2008.

  1. Rileydog

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    You seem to want a star or legit starter to occupy every spot on the roster. On a championship team, there is room for situational players like hayes and Head, moreso Hayes.

    for example, if you need to slow down a scoring 4. Or more precisely, if you need a key stop late in Q4, you run a lineup of Alston/Battier/Artest/hayes/Mutumbo. That may be the best defensive lineup in the league. There's value in having Hayes in there.

    Head is closer to fodder, but he can play a steve kerr role. The trouble has occurred when he's asked to do more, but the idea here is that they are situational role players. If you want to dump him, do so because you think you can find a better situational player, which would be hard because he can spot up and shoot the 3 at a fairly high rate.
     
  2. xiki

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    I'd like to keep the remaining expirings for a mid-season pickmeup if there were an injury or other issue.
     
  3. Alvin Choo

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    is the two rookies any good? I know 1 is fast, and the other can jump. But what about the other aspect of their game?

    Anyone would want them?

    Denver are cutting cost, and they need bodies. That 2 rook and head for kleiza.
     
  4. hooroo

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    It's old news from several months ago, around April.
     
  5. tcadriel

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    At this point I do trust Morey's moves, but I don't see any reason to move Hayes or Head, unless it's a upgrade, not a down grade. Both of these guys do bring thier own skills to the table, Hayes might not be able to put the ball in the basket and Head might not be able to dribble down court without bouncing the ball off his foot, but the guys wont be starters and neither would anyone we bring in for them. For the sake of chemistry and a deep bench, IMO we keep both of these guys. I've personally hated on both of the guys, but a good move is a good move, so trading either one of the guys just for the sake of trading, is just a wrong move and I believe Morey knows better.

    But if Brooks and maybe Head, possibliy another scrub who won't make the team anyways, and some cash could bring in a quailty backup point guard, now that would be nice!
     
  6. battousai

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    I am sorry but if you are referring to the women gymnastics then I doubt you have watch that competition. Are you referring to the questionable or the fact that scarmanon (sp) lost both times as she preformed her routine?

    By the way scaranon, she is one hot girl. she kept me watching and glue to the TV.
     
  7. battousai

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    I am sorry but if you are referring to the women gymnastics then I doubt you have watch that competition. Are you referring to the questionable age or the fact that scarmanon (sp) lost both times as she preformed her routines?

    By the way scaranon is one hot girl. she kept me watching and glued to the TV the whole time.
     
  8. Icehouse

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    Because unless Yao, Scola or Landry (assuming he resigns) gets hurt, then he won't play. So if he is as good as you say, why not move him for some help in another area where we are weaker?
     
  9. rn_xw

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    we never know. Last time it was a minor trade claimed by Morey, and look who we landed!
     
  10. hooroo

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    I think the minor trades will just involve any team willing to take on Singletary or Ewing's contracts without them having to give up picks.

    If the Rockets are going to waive them as suggested their guaranteed dollars could be between 250K to the usual minimum for training camp deals each counted counted towards team salary/luxury tax.
    Or in another minor trade scenario the Rockets could get the draft rights to a project PG player who they can afford on their now deep roster. It's said elite PGs are either drafted or signed but not traded for. The Suns are going to gamble a significant chunk of their MLE on Goran Dragic a second round pick...
    If Koponen proves himself in Euroleague the Blazers will have slim chances of signing him in future with the 2007 30th pick salary not being competitive.

    This could be an opportunity for the Rockets to add a salary cap friendly playmaking PG. Brooks, Barry, and Francis are all combo guards if they do play PG for the Rockets.

    In this finnish article from last week dated 07.08.2008 Koponen says he wants to be in the NBA now:
    http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/muutlajit2008/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/muutlajit/2008/08/684771?koripallo

    It's that or signing a long term contract with a buyout a 30th pick contract can't compete with possibly with these teams as mentioned this older article in spanish:
    Koponen also happens to share the same agent as Tracy McGrady.
     
  11. Lima Time

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    There is a high probability that Yao and Landry will not play 82 games, so having Hayes to help out with defense and rebounding is a nice luxury.
     
  12. Lima Time

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    A draft pick for Novak?
     
  13. BimaThug

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    Another thing to consider when Morey talks about "minor trades" is that Sean Singletary and Patrick Ewing, Jr. are both currently Houston Rockets, yet the team apparently has no desire to have either player on the roster. Their inclusion in the Artest trade was a pure salary dump by Sacramento after they signed Bobby Brown to a guaranteed deal.

    It very well might be that the "minor trades" Morey is talking about are his attempts to trade Singletary and/or Ewing to another team in exchange for anything, or even NOTHING. Since both players' deals are partially guaranteed, it is probable that the Rockets will have to eat some of their salaries, which will count towards the luxury tax. However, if Morey can unload those salaries to another team, it would give the Rockets just a little more breathing room under the tax threshhold.

    I know it's minor. But that was what Morey was likely talking about.
     
  14. lgjjrz

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    maybe the Rockets-Nets minor swap about the Head or/and the newcomer Singletary for some Round 2 Pick
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    1. Because the probability that one of these guys get hurt is so very low?

    2. Chuck got significant minutes even when all three were healthy last aseason.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    The "partial" guarantee can be pretty low. I think Landry, for example, was guaranteed only $50K.

    In any case, if whatever amount these two are guaranteed for actually makes a difference in terms of the tax picture, I would imagine a deal could be struck where the Rockets pay cash (in an amount more than the amount of the guranteed portion of their salaries) to a well-below-tax-threshhold team in exchange for taking on these guys. This way, the Rockets gain some minimal room under the tax threshhold, and the other team gets some free cash (and a free look at a couple of 2nd round picks).
     
  17. hooroo

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    February was Yao's last month of play where he missed the last two games of that month. It was also Chuck's first month where he did not start.

    Chuck's minutes were:
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  18. Lima Time

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    I'm not sure I can agree with your #2. If you take a look at Chuck Hayes game log:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2834

    Scroll down to our giant winning streak (starting 1/29). Notice all the DNP-CD's and games where he didn't even play 10 minutes up until 2/24, the last game Yao played.

    Once we put Scola in the starting lineup with Landry coming off the bench, Hayes was becoming a bench warmer. If Yao, Scola, and Landry somehow do stay healthy, I expect that pattern to continue, especially with the addition of beefy Artest.

    But because your #1 is true, that's why we still need to keep Chuck.
     
  19. durvasa

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    (1) Based on last season when all three were healthy and part of the rotation (mid Jan through mid Feb), that is not true
    (2) It's unclear how effective Landry will be if he signs. Does he return to his pre-knee injury form?
    (3) Two of the three mentioned players are certifiably injury-prone
     
  20. LabMouse

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    I know you are likely right, but I still hope that Morey can deal Luther for something good. It is not a question that Luther is that bad, but there is no roles for him this year, just hope that "minor trades" can results in a good backup point guard, we all know that Morey can turn "a minor trade" into " a major trade".

     

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