http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_overstatement.html Damnation to him! This celebrity SOB has clearly stepped over the line with bold lies...Instead of an ad that focuses on his policy. Here he goes again misinforming us as much as he can about John McCain...When is he going to stop it...Demmit! The inflation...The hyprocracy...er..It makes me wanna do a Dean YElP..!!! Check it out,...Mulder, B-bobby...You backslappers distinctly support factcheck when information lends itself to your argument...Now what? If we can't trust Obama to get his information straight on this...How can we trust him to get ANY other information straight??? Sen. Barack Obama's campaign released the ad Aug. 4. Its core claim is that McCain accepted $2 million in campaign contributions from "Big Oil" and is "in the pocket" of the industry. The Obama campaign even named the ad "Pocket."
OP is your post sarcasm? You want to hear lies how about Mccain himself not just his campaign talking about how Obama wants to raise taxes for everyone.. It's total BS.. And if you want to use internet as proof I'll post from several sources the differences in tax savings individuals would save under McCain vs Obama. FactCheck.org = Reliable? How about more than just 1 source buddy.
That's it...I am NOW supporting Obama! Lock this thread...Quick! stuff cotton in my ears. Slap my back!..It never happened...
LMAO, you use FactCheck and yet you completely avoid all of their McCain criticisms. I'm just gonna link the ones on the home page over there: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/wind_power_puffery.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_celebrity_cred.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/snubbing_wounded_troops.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccain_links_castro_with_obama.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_full_tank_of_nonsense.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_truth_on_troop_support.html So that's 7 criticism of McCain ads to Obama's 2 just on the front page. ROXRAN, you have no shame.
Oski2005 you don't get it, McCain can lie through his teeth several times and it's ok but if Barack Obama campaign has a miscalculation (small numbers by the way) He's the anti-christ.. I can't believe people believe those numbers lol.. You really believe RoxRan that big oil has donated that little? How easy it is to manipulate people now a days. Also remember Iraq has WMD and that is the reason why we are still there!!!
There is a distinct difference between an inflated figure or miscalculation and an outright lie. I am not happy that the figures used were less than accurate but I believe the overall message is. The Oil Industry favors John McCain because he would cut their taxes. he has received WAY more money from big oil than Obama has. He has changed positions to favor their way of thinking. Analysis Sen. Barack Obama's campaign released the ad Aug. 4. Its core claim is that McCain accepted $2 million in campaign contributions from "Big Oil" and is "in the pocket" of the industry. The Obama campaign even named the ad "Pocket." Announcer: Every time you fill your tank, the oil companies fill their pockets. Now Big Oil’s filling John McCain’s campaign with 2 million dollars in contributions. Because instead of taxing their windfall profits to help drivers, McCain wants to give them another 4 billion in tax breaks. After one president in the pocket of big oil… We can’t afford another. Barack Obama… A windfall profits tax on big oil to give families a thousand dollar rebate. A president who’ll stand up for you. Obama: I’m Barack Obama and I approve this message. An Inflated Figure It's certainly true that McCain gets far more money from donors in the oil and gas industry than Obama does. And there's no question that McCain's recent support for expanding offshore drilling is a position that the industry favors. But the $2 million figure is inflated. According to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics – which both campaigns cite as authoritative from time to time – McCain had received $1,332,033 from persons in the oil and gas industry (both directly and through company-sponsored political action committees), not $2.1 million as the Obama campaign claims. Those are the most recent and authoritative figures available and are based on reports on file at the Federal Election Commission as of July 28. The Obama campaign said it cobbled together its $2.1 million figure by adding one total from a report in the Washington Post, which said oil and gas donors gave $1.1 million to McCain in June, and an older total from CRP, which put the McCain campaign's total at just over $1 million through May 30. But that turns out to be adding apples to oranges, and it does not give an accurate figure for money that went directly to "John McCain's campaign," as the ad puts it. Much of the money given in June went to a joint fundraising venture of the McCain campaign, the Republican National Committee and several state GOP committees, an unknown portion of which was passed through to the McCain campaign itself. The Post said its report was based on an analysis by the Public Campaign Action Fund, a group that advocates taxpayer financing of political campaigns. That group's Campaign Money Watch project released a report July 31, titled "It's a Gusher: As John McCain Fights For Big Oil, They Open Their Wallets." That report refers to $1.2 million that went to "McCain’s Victory ’08 Fund," a joint fundraising committee. The report does not say how much actually ended up in McCain's own campaign coffers and how much went to other Republican candidates and committees. Furthermore, the figures given by the Post don't exactly match those in the Campaign Money Watch. David Miller of Campaign Money Watch told us the Post reporter "didn't actually see our report" but was briefed on preliminary findings a few days before the report was completed. David Donnelly, the national campaigns director of the Public Campaign Action Fund, defended the Obama campaign's ad: "There's a strong case to be made that more than $2 million was given by the oil and gas industry to advance John McCain's campaign." But he's counting money to various Republican party committees, for use in supporting McCain and other candidates as well. We judge the $1.3 million figure from the Center for Responsive Politics, which includes any money transferred to McCain's campaign, to be the most authoritative tally of oil and gas donations to the campaign. And we conclude that the $2 million figure in Obama's ad is the result of counting some donations raised during June that actually went elsewhere. In Big Oil's Pocket? It bears repeating, as we've reminded readers before, that oil companies themselves don't make donations. It's illegal under federal law for corporations to donate directly to candidates and has been since 1918. The ad refers to donations from executives and employees of oil companies, given either directly or through company-sponsored political action committees, or PACs. Both candidates accept donations from individual employees of oil companies. In fact, when Obama claimed in an ad last March that "I don't take money from oil companies," we criticized him for being a little too slick. The CRP puts Obama's total from oil and gas donors at $394,465. Based on CRP's figures, McCain's oil and gas donations account for just 92 cents out of every $100 he's raised. Obama's oil and gas total comes to 12 cents per $100. That's a significant difference between the two candidates, and it's clear that the industry is favoring McCain with its donations. Whether that puts him "in the pocket" of the industry is a judgment we'll leave to our readers. Correction, Aug. 6: Our original article incorrectly stated that McCain's oil and gas donations were 0.9 cents per $100 and Obama's were 0.1 cents per $100. We miscalculated the decimal place in both figures. "Another $4 Billion" The ad's claim that "McCain wants to give [oil companies] another $4 billion in tax breaks" is also somewhat misleading. McCain is not proposing any special tax breaks for the oil industry. What he's proposing is a reduction in the corporate income tax rate for all companies. The $4 billion figure that Obama and many Democrats have constantly repeated recently is their estimate of the amount by which oil company taxes would be reduced should this proposal be enacted without any additional offsets, such as closing of existing preferences or "loopholes." McCain's proposal would cut the top corporate rate from 35 percent to 25 percent. It also would allow for immediate write-offs for companies buying new equipment and technology, and a tax credit of 10 percent of the amount companies spend on wages devoted to research and development. The Obama campaign points to an analysis by the Center for American Progress Action Fund from March 27, which estimated that the McCain plan would be worth a total of $3.8 billion per year to the five largest U.S.-based oil companies, Exxon/Mobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Valero Energy and Marathon. That was based on 2007 earnings and tax figures. Since then, the industry's profits have risen substantially, so the reduction in corporate tax rates might benefit them even more by the time it could be enacted in a McCain administration. But the benefit would go to all companies, not just those in the oil business. – by Brooks Jackson, with Emi Kolawole Sources Mosk, Matthew. "Industry Gushed Money After Reversal on Drilling." Washington Post, 27 July 2008. Center for American Progress Action Fund. "The McCain Plan to Cut Oil Company Taxes by Nearly $4 Billion," 27 March 2008. Obama'08. "Senator Barack Obama Announces Emergency Economic Plan," news release 1 Aug 2008. The Associated Press. "McCain hits Obama on windfall profits tax," 17 June 2008. Campaign Money Watch: "IT’S A GUSHER: As John McCain Fights For Big Oil, They Open Their Wallets," 31 July 2008.
Reading Roxran's post made me think it was a joke... (1.3 to 2million dollar difference in link) But the responses in this thread have me hella confused.
Interesting find... I heard that a MAJOR news source has learned that John McCain was Jeffrey Dahmer's landlord for 9 years and considered him like a son.
Oh, what a stinging call-out. You make me blush and hang my internet head in shame. Ahem. I think Obama's campaign should change the ad or clarify the fundraising numbers. I don't see it as devious and evil, but it's wrong, hyperbolic and they can do better. The cents on the dollar, as per mulder's post, would be much more effective and criticism proof. I'd ask you to not call me a "backslapper," and I won't call you names, though you've made it tempting. I support Obama. I don't think his **** smells like roses, and I think he has flaws. I think he's by far the better choice for the nation though. I'd also ask you to respond directly to each factcheck link Oski posted regarding McCain's distortions on Obama, which are a'plenty and multiplying weekly. TIA. PS -- here are the links again, for starters: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-...deceptions.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-...er_puffery.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-...brity_cred.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-...ded_troops.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-...with_obama.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-...f_nonsense.html http://www.factcheck.org/elections-...op_support.html
You are right...My bad... Both candidates accept donations from individual employees of oil companies. In fact, when Obama claimed in an ad last March that "I don't take money from oil companies," we criticized him for being a little too slick. The CRP puts Obama's total from oil and gas donors at $394,465. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Except the ratio on factcheck.org (and yes, I do read it regularly) is about 7:2 in the direction of McCain making "mistakes." So no, it's not the same.
No, what's funny is that you think you've scored some kind of D&D point here, but by using the same source the liberals on here use on McCain you actually have just validated the website because unlike the sources guys like you, basso, and trader pendejo-rge use, factcheck is unbiased.
