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Barkley on Francis, Mobley

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DonKnutts, Mar 5, 2002.

  1. Jeff

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    Mark Berman called Barkley's comments "groundless" on KRIV channel 26. He interviewed both players. Mobley seemed bugged and called Barkley "Mr. Controversy" and said, "I don't listen to what Chuck says, how about that?"

    Francis seemed less annoyed and said, "If that's how he feels...he knows we respect him."
     
  2. Old School

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    Groundless?

    Ch 2's Chris Wraggie had an interview with Barkley from his hotel room in Atlanta. He pounced on Franchise some more. Said he needs to growup and become more of a leader. Also said he needed to take the game more seriously, like a job. He didn't mention Cat. They also showed what looked like the same interviews from Cuttino and Francis.
     
  3. knifejc

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    I kinda have to agree with what man532 says how Barkely gonna give some one advice on playing, teaching, and respecting the game of basketball...when he was notorius for some of things he did on and off the court?
     
  4. Old School

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    But the difference is Barkley kicked ass on the court on an almost nightly basis.

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  5. Wakko67

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    No offense, but are you implying that Steve and Cat don't bring it every night. Maybe not on D, but Barkley wasn't a "defensive player of the year" candidate.
     
  6. Old School

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    I meant what he did off the court didn't seem to affect what he did on the court.

    I do think Barkley is right in saying Cat and Steve still need to mature some more. Hopefully some day it'll kick in and they'll be able to be a complete package. (Btw, I'm not bashing them...I'm one of the bigger Francis fans on here.)


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  7. OldManBernie

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    As much as I enjoy Barkley talking, but this is just $hit talking to me. Come on, wasn't Barkley injured pretty much the entire year when Francis was a rookie? Leading with you mouth can only get you so far. Basketball is one of those games that you've got to lead by example.
     
  8. leebigez

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    I can kind of believe what Barkley says about Steve and Cat. Confidence is one thing, but playfulness is another. I remember watching preseason and watching them throw all those stupid alley oops into the third row. Mind you that the team had little preseason time together healthy, and look how they treated it. You would never see a team that acted like they were on top of the world so quick. If Francis wants to be a leader of this team, he must not only lead by example, but he must be willing to get in players faces, friends or not and tell them when they're screwing up. I don't know if they understood what he was saying, but it was a lot of times when Hakeem was in someone grill going to the sideline. Before you can do that, you must be not do bonehead things yourself like turning the ball over alot and making an effort to play defense.
     
  9. Jeff

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    Tell that to Charles "Defensive Player of the Year" Barkley! The guy obviously has a right to his opinion, but it doesn't mean a ton to me coming from him. If this came from Joe Dumars or Dr. J, guys that lived that worth ethic on AND off the court, it would be one thing. But, Barkley always complained about being a role model and now he's complaining about guys not listening to him? I wouldn't either.
     
  10. Major

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    Well, Barkley was right that Mobley didn't listen.

    <B>"I listened to Scottie," Mobley said. "Maybe it's the way (Barkley) came at you. He can say what he wants to say. He made more mistakes than we do. He's Mr. Controversy. I don't listen to Charles."</B>

    From today's Chronicle.. Say what you want about Barkley, but I think they should have at least tried to listen simply because he had 15-20 years of experience on them.
     
  11. Jeff

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    They didn't put in the whole quote. I saw him say this on the news and he said, "I don't listen to Charles. How's that?" Basically, he was saying that to the reporters, "Is that the answer you want?" It was obvious what Charles said bugged him.
     
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    But who had more championship rings? Pippen or Barkley?
     
  13. Hydra

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    Jeff,

    Regardless of your opinion of his work ethic, Charles was still one of the best players to ever play the game. He won two gold medals and has accomplished everything but a championship, which is at least partially dependant on teammates. To say that any advice he gives should be ignored is lunacy. Especially when he talks to players that are undersized at their position. He is the king of the short athletic freaks. Guys like Mobes should be hanging on his every word.
     
  14. Dirt

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    But who had more championship rings? Pippen or Barkley?


    Geeez.....I guess an "up and coming" player should ask Avery Johnson over John Stockton about the finer points of basketball.....after all,since Stockton has no rings and Johnson does,Stockton obviously sucks!!!!
     
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    You missed the entire point. Would you listen more to someone who was constantly breathing down your neck, or someone who merely corrected you? I think players respond better to constructive criticism better than a barrage of yelling. Barkley is more of the yelling type, and Pippen seems calmer. Now this doesn't mean an occasional yell wouldn't hurt. But when the yelling becomes routine, I would think most players tune it out and stop listening.

    As for Avery Johnson and John Stockton, I think both would be able to offer valuable lessons. Personally, I would listen to Avery Johnson since he's had to work more to stay in the league so he would have more to teach when it comes to making it the hard way.
     
  16. Desert Scar

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    Maybe it is just me, but I would listen more to a consistently blunt, loud, but often funny and supportive guy than a pissy whiney retracted guy who criticizes only when convenient to him ("it never would have come to me bouncing the ball of my foot if he had......."). With the former guys you know they treat everyone that way and that is just who they are, with the latter guys you more wonder their ulterior motives. I know from experience, I could never get away saying things some of my more blunt and obnoxious friends could--it is just a fact of life because it would be out of character for me and come off worse.
     
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    Chuck should have spent more time trying to imitate Dr. J than be an advice guru like Dr. Ruth. Focusing his energies in the right direction would have gotten him a ring.
     
  18. Manny Ramirez

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    I think it would be safe to say that Barkley would have won just as many or even more rings IF he got to play with Jordan like Quitten did.

    So what if Barkley was a yeller and Quitten wasn't?? That's the problem with a lot of players today...they have been pampered and babied too much. You need a player or coach to give an old school tongue lashing every now and then (not all the time like Bobby Knight).

    I'm sorry, but I would rather listen to one of the greatest PFs of all-time than some whiny sidekick.
     
  19. Jeff

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    I don't think you should have to listen to every person just because they exhibited skills and open their mouth. Maybe not everything he said was worth hearing.

    I like Sir Charles but I didn't have to have him in my face every day. For every player out there who liked him, you'll find some who didn't. For every one of them who listened, there are some who didn't.

    As Cuttino said, "Maybe it was the way he came at you." There were veteran players on his own team who didn't want anything to do with him so I see no crime in a younger player feeling that way.
     
  20. dave feitl

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    Barkley never won a ring because the players around either sucked or were old like him.Fat or not, migraines or not, he would give it his all until he could no longer.Chuck knows the importance of playing like a team.He knew that was the reason he never got a ring.He probably was trying to teach these lil' primadonnas that before they got too old to realize it.These guys could have learned alot from Chuck because he was great with rookies.He was also a great passer, which is something they could have definitely used a little schooling in.The only thing they seem to have learned from Chuck is their defense.
     

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