Would you oppose a law that no longer allowed kids to drop out of school until the age of 18? Seriouesly - I don't think a 16 year knows the long term consequences and ramifications to make such a decision. It is an adult decision being made by a non-adult. I also think that there should be some sort of transition/exit program from school for these 'drop outs'. It is easy to say they made their bed . . so live with it .. but they not the only ones living with it. . .. H.S. Drop outs leads to alot of criminality. I think we decrease the drop out rates we might find some decrease there. better to send them for school an extra 2 years. . than two years of prison which is more expensive Rocket River
All of the high school dropouts I know make just as much money as people that graduated high school but never went to college. Better to let them do what they want to do than be a burden on the people in school that actually want to be there.
I'll bet anyone that has taught in a high school would agree with you times a thousand. There's nothing more counterproductive to the learning environment than wannabe gangsters who don't even want to be there and compete for the same attention.
Not commenting on your overall assertion, but your personal experience differs from the national norm. I think high school grads generally make about 30% more than dropouts.
Yea, its just my experience, but its hard to find meaning from those studies anyways though. Dropouts are obviously not very intelligent, have health problems, moms with babies, so they on the whole will make less than grads because they have all of these problems. If you took that same low IQ, bad family, mom with a baby dropout and gave her a diploma would she earn more? Probably not in my experience.
I'd be for some law that, if didn't force retention in highschool, force some alternative/vocational school for the remainder of their time until 18. Of course, how does one enforce a law like this? If a kid doesn't want to go to school, there isn't much that can be done to force them into their seats.
Honestly 1.I don't think DropOuts being less intelligent is not a GIVEN Less Educated perhaps but intelligent . . no i won't conceed that point [it is just something people say to make themselves feel superior, IMO] 2. If they were in school perhaps that would slow down the chances of pregnancy [considering they would be in school instead of at home in most cases unsupervised] Diploma is a Bar . .a step Having one moves u up a notch . . having a degree another notch and advanced degree another notch same with certificates etc hell Dakota Fanning makes more money than most folx on this board does that mean she is more intelligent? or that we should encourage kids to drop school for hollywood? No . . in this case we have to play the numbers As for the 'dealing with kids that don't want to be there' Put them in a different school different classes that 'exit strategy' thing I was talking about a class full of student taking a one semester class on lifeskills etc So . . is it better than one teacher/school deal with them or the prison system I mean . . if you don't give a ***** about them .. then sure. . let them die but don't complain about high crime/ low test schools and foreign countries moving ahead of america Rocket River
Well a few countries do have compulsory schooling till 18. http://www.inca.org.uk/pdf/table_5.pdf You can't just warehouse these types of kids in the same classrooms with kids who are still interested and trying. Not good for anyone. More should be tried. Real vocational training for good paying jobs. The job corp. Remedial education oriented toward future academics for some. Life skills. Public employment. Subsidized private employment. Everything. It is so expensive to lock people up for life and do drug rehab etc. With our lock up rates, we seem to do about the worst in the whole advanced world.
Force all dropouts under age 18 into the military. Then make sure that the US is always involved in a war. That'll solve the dropout problem.
Maybe require any one who drops out before the age of 18 to pass the GED exam. So at lease when the knuckle head realizes that they need to go to college he/she has one less hurdle to jump. But I know that will never happen.
There is really no point in forcing kids to be there if they don't want to be there. Believe from my experience in a US high school in a relatively poor district some of the kids there really don't consider their future at all. By forcing them to be there also creates conflicts because those kids are normally the ones that disrupt classes, start fights, etc. So why waste tax dollars to help those who don't want to be helped? When there are so many other kids who have the will and ability to succeed with only family finances holding them back.
I'm for it..I've never really heard of someones life being ruined because they stayed in school. But there's always that "sad sad story about the young boy in the hood whose dad left them when he was 2 and his mother died when he was 10 so he has to take care of his 10 younger brothers and sisters, to make sure they don't go to the life of CRIME, dun dundunnnnnnnnn.[insert sad piano music]" Spoiler And so he became a crack dealer. Spoiler
It is money better spent that housing them in correctional facilities for the rest of their lives. It is money better spent than supporting them forever via welfare etc. It is money better spent than continuing the cycle of poverty Rocket River . . . but I'm just spit balling here
I understand where your coming from but from the way I have seen some of the people at my high school went about their business you could already tell they are heading down that road anyways. In the end the most optimistic thing you can forsee them doing is been one of those people protesting about foreigners and outsourcing "stealing" their crappy jobs. The US is "forcing" kids to stay in school till their 18 right now and we really haven't seen any dramatic decrease in poverty and crime. I think the US should redo its education system like that of some of the Asian countries, where kids generally stay in school not because they are forced but because they want to improve their future, and that vastly increased the competitiveness and raised the overall education standards for those countries. Just curious RocketRiver how would you fix the state of the US education right now? Not saying it is that bad but from my point of view millions of tax dollars are been wasted on kids who obviously does not value it at all and creates bad learning environment for others too, and obviously just throwing money at the problem doesn't seem to help one bit.
I am also for that idea. I might be in the minority but I actually think that this would minimize the amount of unnecessary conflict a country would get into. By making it mandatory for people to serve politicians and the upper class would really consider its worth before starting another conflict. Since it won't be just some poor kids they send to die.
I'm a high school drop out. I was top ten percent of my high school and academic decathlon captain of my high school scored a 1200 on my SAT. And I'm doing just fine.
