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Is Obama really scared of town halls?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, Aug 3, 2008.

  1. Major

    Major Member

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    Let's compare.

    Obama, at a town hall:

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    McCain, at a town hall:

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    Debates will be interesting.
     
  2. radapharoah

    radapharoah Rookie

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    I cant wait for the debates, they will be lots of fun :D
     
  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Why does Obama keep backing out of his commitment to the townhalls?

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/258164

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    OUCH


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    For the second time since Barack Obama made his "I will meet John McCain 'anytime, anywhere' to debate foreign Policy", speech, Obama backs out of that challenge again.
    Remember when Barack Obama made one of his speeches and said "I'll meet John McCain 'anytime, anywhere' to debate foreign Policy"?

    If not, the video is above.

    For the second time, Obama is refusing to keep to that promise.

    There are three scheduled debates to be held but John McCain had proposed 10 townhall style debates with Obama and back in June negotiations for those proposed debates broke down when Obama's campaign made a counter offer.


    Obama has offered to meet McCain in five joint appearances between now and the Nov. 4 election, but only one of those would be town hall-style and it would be on the July 4th Independence Day holiday, when few Americans would be watching. McCain called the offer "a very disappointing response."


    Three of the other joint appearances are traditional sanctioned debates, scheduled for Sept. 26 in Oxford, Miss., Oct. 7 and Oct. 15, 2008.

    Lo and behold, the townhall style debates to which the McCain campaign again re-issued their challenge for, has once again been turned down by the Obama campaign.


    Barack Obama's campaign released a letter this afternoon from campaign manager David Plouffe to the Commission on Presidential Debates only agreeing to the traditional three sanctioned fall debates and single vice presidential forum.

    "Due to the late date of the two parties' nominating conventions, and the relatively short period between the end of the conventions and the first proposed debate, it is likely that the four commission debates will be the sole series of debates in the fall campaign," Plouffe writes.



    Obama and his supporters have been insisting that John McCain needs to focus on the "issues" during his campaign and yet when John McCain accepted Barack Obama's "anytime, anywhere" statement at face value and tried to make plans to discuss the issues, it is Obama and his campaign that has been refusing for months now to stand toe to toe with John McCain, in front of ordinary Americans, no teleprompters, and speak to those issues.

    The McCain campaign's response to this latest news by stating, via Brian Roges, a McCain spokesman, "We understand it might be beneath a worldwide celebrity of Barack Obama’s magnitude to appear at town hall meetings alongside John McCain and directly answer questions from the American people, but we hope he’ll reconsider."


    OWNED
     
  4. Major Malcontent

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    McCain's spokesmen make me laugh. They know thier candidate has ZERO charisma and can't inspire an inkling of enthusiasm, even among diehards in his own party.

    So they somehow try to turn that lack of any kind of positive feelings about their candidate into something positive by trying to spin Obama as a "celebrity".

    10 townhalls plus 4 debates? I like to think I have an above average interest in politics, but thats waaaaay too many for me or most Americans to sustain interest.

    Maybe thats the McCain plan...to diminish the younger, often first time political participant Obama supporters to lose their enthusiasm by turning this into an endless and tedious process
     
  5. Major

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    That's absolutely part of the strategy - also of the recent ads. Obama's goal is to increase turnout; so McCain's is the opposite. If both parties go negative, it tends to reduce turnout - people just sour on the process. McCain is trying to bait Obama into going negative also. We'll see if it works or not. Traditionally, if only one party goes negative, it benefits them and hurts the other - but it's unclear if that will be the case here if McCain is seen as crabby. That was a problem Hillary had - she didn't do negative well and it came across pretty badly. McCain doesn't really either.
     
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    McCain will get his chance soon enough....It's a easy win for Obama trust me.
     
  7. glynch

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    That is almost always the plan of the vast majority of the GOP and the more establishment incumbent Democrats. It protects the status quo.
     
  8. glynch

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    Hope you're right here. McCain is amazingly negative. He is doing all his own Swiftboating under his campaign name.
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    McCain had better not go negative in the debates, as I suspect he will, since he has no charisma or issue-driven points to talk about.

    It will play terribly to have a cantankerous old curmudgeon spewing bile everywhere next to a charming young guy expounding on the virtues of "new" politics.
     
  10. Apollo Creed

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    That McCain video was really bad. If this were three weeks ago I would've felt bad for him.
     
  11. LongTimeFan

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    I would've liked to see his response, instead of reverse angles.. :confused:
     
  12. radapharoah

    radapharoah Rookie

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    yeah i didnt get the reverse angle thing either...mccain looks old from any angle you look
     
  13. LongTimeFan

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    It didn't really show anything further damaging.. I think I got the point with the first take. And it was a tough question -- I would've loved to see his response. That would tell me more about McCain's town hall capability than a bunch of reverse angles confirming that it was indeed, John McCain.
     
  14. HombreDeHierro

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    both of them are morons, IMHO.
     

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