Wanted to make this a poll, but i dont know how. If anyone can make it one then please do. Anyhow, What do you guys think seperates the Rockets new Big 3 with the other Big 3's in the league andwhich Big 3 lays the best foundation for success?. IMO there are 2 different types of Big 3's, which ive ranked: Elite Big 3's. Boston (KG, Pierce, Allen.) - Champions, and as much as i hate to say it, you cant knock a champion. San Antonio (Duncun, Parker, Manu.) - Old stagers. Experienced and just know how to get it done. Houston (Mac, Yao, Ron.) - Unproven/unkown, however have the potential to be number 1 Big 3. Detroit (Billups, Rip, Sheed.) - Ageing, probably past their best years however still a very competent Big 3. Second Tier Big 3's Jazz (Williams, Boozer, Okur.) - On the rise. New Orleans (Paul, West, Chandler.) - See above. CP3 makes this lot a big 3, just because of the way he sees and runs the floor. The Guy is a freak. Mavs (Dirk, Howard, Kidd.) - Not amazing but still a threat. There are others, and i could see the Suns, Magic and maybe the Sixers make a case but they seem to be the most prominent Big 3's out there. So my question is, what is it about our Big 3 that puts us over the top and sets us apart from the rest of the pack? Offensively i think we are the best, bar none, however defensively we are a tad behind the 8-ball even wth the addition of Artest, however we do have others to cover for that. Obviously chemistry wise is an unknown, and fingers crossed that goes well too. Shooting wise our Big 3 is also not as competent as others, particularly from the perimeter. As far as Big 3 go, we are up there IMO but not the best, yet. The best asset to this team is still going to be the role players playing their parts and stepping up and hopefully chemistry is still going to be massive for this team. What you think? Which Big 3 is the best and why? And which of these Big 3 form the nucleus to the best all round team?
IMO all but the Mavs are 1st tier. Paul + any 2 bigs really = 2nd tier , but adding to fact he has 2 above average players they are def. 1st tier. Jazz (I HATE THEM BTW), maybe 2 years ago they were 2nd tier, but now they are all matured with playoff experience... it is hard to say they aren't 1st tier now.
I see your point, and i agree that they COULD both be called first tier, but IMO the 4 i have there, excpet for maybe Detroit who are getting a bit old, are still a step ahead of those in the second tier. The Jazz are very good, dont get me wrong, however i still think most peo[le would say Boston, SA and now Houston are just ahead of them, hence first tier. You could be right though, Maybe the Jazz should be ahead of Detroit these days. Id stll keep NO in the second tier though.
I did too. My bad. They are definatly in the top tier. IMO though they are still slightly overrated. Lemar and Gasol play like pansies and Lemar is horribly inconsistent.
San Antonio Spurs big 3 is overrated IMO, and so is the Celtics big 3. San Antonio have/had pieces like Barry, Finley, Bowen other reliable players on their team. Celtics is even more overrated, they had very reliable veterans and rookies. P.J Brown, Sam Cassel (once in a while) James Posey, Powe, Perkins etc. As far as I know, the Big celtics 3 choked a lot in playoffs. Ray Allen could not find his touch, and neither could Paul Pierce. Garnett played well throughout the playoffs. Allen was absolutely horrible early in the playoffs, later on he was a lot more dangerous, but early on he was unreliable. Paul Pierce was on and off once in a while. As for the Rockets Big 3, we already know we have a very reliable playoff player (McGrady). Artest hasn't been in the playoffs for a while, so we have yet to see how pressure hits him (pressure hit the big celtics 3 pretty hard IMO). I think the rockets are more elite than any of the other big 3s because the Rockets have one of the most versatile offensive players in the league who literally possesses the entire arsenal of jumpshot moves. We also have the biggest player in the league who was probably a would-be mvp. And now, we have a defensive monster with an offensive side that thrives on McGrady's style of play (good finishers). I think the rockets are a more organized version of a Big 3. With Yao making the low post presence, McGrady being the distributor and Artest doing some of everything. I think we're a upgraded and less boring version of SA.
There is not big 3 in New Orleans, becuase Paul is a Big Big 1. Jazz has only big 2 and i don't think Okur is in the same tier with DW and Boozer. The Big 3 of Detroit are not big.
I thin our big two is jsut as good even better than all of those combinations. The problem ash been keeping Yao and T-Mac on the floor and fresh by the end of the season and playing together. That is still the big question mark. Hopefully the addition of Artest helps in keeping those two guys healthy, by lightening the load. Before the addition of Artest we had the talent to go far in the play-offs. I don't like the focus being on having the 'big 3'. We needed another scoring threat. The main reason we needed that was to lighten the load on T-Mac and Yao so they can play more games. Artest improves the chances of us staying healthy.
There really aren't many 'elite' big 3s in the NBA. I wouldn't even rank San Antonio as a 'big 3'...Manu and Parker are borderline all-stars in my book. Their success has been a result of good chemistry and coaching, not pure talent. You can put Detroit in that same category. Talent-wise, top-3: Elite: Celtics Rockets Lakers Jazz 2nd-Tier: San Antonio Detroit Orlando (Lewis, Superman, Turkgolu) New Orleans Dallas There are teams that may emerge with 3 dominant players like Toronto and Philly.
LOL @ people STILL saying the celtics are overrated. people still can't see that is one of the greatest teams ever formed ? KG, ray, pierce overrated ? hahaha. choked a lot in the playoffs ? "b-b-b-but the hawks took them to 7 games!!!" they won the f-ing title ! they beat the two best teams in the league EASILY. WE ARE NOT BETTER THAN THE BOSTON CELTICS. OUR BIG 3 isn't better either. I don't think our big 3 fits together quite as well as theirs. However i do feel 1-12 we are just as talented. we put together a team that has the POTENTIAL to get on their level, but i don't think we will better than them for quite some time. i think we will need more time to adjust and develop some kind of rhythm and consistency than they did.
well, Okur was an all-star, so i think that qualifies him. utah has more like a big 4 when you throw in kirilenko, who sacrifices plenty of his individual game to help things run smoothly in utah.
I disagree and don't like the Spurs nor the Celtics. I don't think the Spurs or Celtics big 3 are overrated, you always need good role players to win, no matter who the big 3 are. Look at the Lakers (Magic Kareem Worthy) or the Celtics (Bird Mchale Parrish), those guys are Hall Of Famers that won cahmpionships, but had good role players(both teams were 10-12 man deep). Then take a look at our big 3 when it was Olajuwon Barkley Drexler (all are Hall Of Famers), could not win because they didn't have enough around them. We actually won championships when we had a bunch of good role players(traded all of them away for Barkley). That's why the active roster is 12 players and they play "5 on 5" and not "3 on 3".
The celtics deserve credit, but you don't honestly think such a great trio would take the hawks to 7 games do you? They are a good team, but there is no doubt that the big 3 choked early on. By the way, who are the best two teams in the league? As far as I know, the celtics played against the hawks, the cavaliers and the pistons in the east. Maybe I was wrong and the Celtics are not overrated, but just felt the playoff pressure after being out of it for quite some time. But IMO, the rockets can and will match up with the celtics big 3. The question is who the leader of the big 3 will be in the rockets.
why is there a big 3? I still see this team as a 111 team, with artest, scola, battier, alston playing fillers. Artest will get his points, but it will be by products of the inside game of yao, and the passing of tmac. He will only step up, when one of the 2 is resting or when injured. However, i cant see anyone in the league that can stop them when these three are hot. KG, PP and ray will not be able to handle tmac or ron-ron. Same goes for spurs. Other than that, no one can stop yao. While yao, tmac and ron-ron can stop anyone in the league. Well almost as jazz is still a match-up problem with d-will and boozer.
I really dont see Utah as being that big of a threat anymore, at least the D-Will/Boozer combo because we will just throw Ron and Shane at them together. Pick and roll nullified!
it was their first year together man. they just needed to adjust to playing playoff basketball on the road, they were blowing the hawks out every home game. how can you a team that wins, chokers ??? say what you want about cleveland, but those dudes are TOUGH and built for playoff basketball. btw, the two best teams = detroit and LA... neither of which were a match for the celtics. (lakers would have lost in 5 if it wasn't a 2-3-2 format) the rockets will be capable of great things but it will be tougher for us than it was for boston. boston built a team that was clearly better than everyone else all year long. no team in the league was on their level, but this year the lakers can reach that level by adding bynum, and we can with the addition of artest. in order for us to get a title we will likely have go through BOTH the lakers and celtics, and that will be no easy task my friend.
no i think utah is still a tough matchup for us. adding ron doesn't mean that yao won't still struggle with getting inside position against okur, and turning the ball over a lot. Yao will also still be stuck guarding boozer, so thats no good. also, i dont think we have enough speed to really cause problems for utah. we can beat them, but it will be a struggle. they are still just a bad matchup for us, probably the worst of anyone in the west.
We should let Artest shut down D-Will, even Boozer get his 4o pts, we can still beat them. Their wing players are pretty big, so alston/brooks/head are all bad match ups, this year, they will meet Artest/Battier/Tmac/Barry, even bigger and more physical than them, actually I say it's one of the better matchups than those teams with super fast PGs.
