Marion would be a very nice fit on this team at the three too....any thoughts on him. FA year after next. Phoenix is in limbo right now. just some fantasy fodder maybe, but fun to talk about his game....
marion will be one severely overpaid free agent after next year. chances are he will get MAX. and there is no way in hell a player who cannot dribble nor create his own shot should get the max...
Marion has barely scratched the surface of his potential. I am a big fan of his, but I was skeptical about how he would do without Kidd. And he has done as well, if not better than last year. He is a very good defensive player too. Unfortunately, he would not fit the Rockets, as he can play defense but doesn't shoot 3s. The exact opposite of what Rudy likes in a SF.
well color me pookie, but unless you can show me his ability to dribble or create his own shot, i believe i am correct. here's that glass dick back, why don't you suck on it... p.s. Clutch, sorry about the vulgarity, but i'm sick of these rude responses, that have no argumentation/reasoning behind them, they're just random insults...
Verse, Shaq can't dribble or create his own shot. Hakeem couldn't for the first 4-5 years of his career. Marion is a stud. DaDakota
Out of the 3 I'd have to go with Marion. He can match up with any SF in the league. But sense he's not a 3 point shooter I don't see Rudy going for him.
Shaq creates his own shot all the time. Marion isn't a center. Small forwards should be able to dribble. Small forwards who receive the max should be able to dribble and create their own shot. Without his athleticism, Marion is a VERY ordinary player. Marion will not be able to outleap everyone for his entire career.
bingo. DaDa, you named big men that don' t need handles to get to the bucket. marion is an average shooter with amazing athleticism. in other words, he can jump out the gym. but he has shown absolutely ZERO ability to create his own shot. he CANNOT beat his man off the dribble. from the small forward spot, it would be nice if that player could handle the ball. why? because it would mean the death of the 3 guard lineup. with a ballhandling 3, cat and steve could play the wings for long stretches on offense...and you wouldn't see The Little Dribbler out there. the idea of moochie norris getting less than 10 minutes per game almost gives me a stiffie.
what a mess you fans are going to throw this team into the ground... amazing how you NAMED three guys NONE CAN FIT OUR SYSTEM. i guess we dont watch games do we? wiliams shot 4 out of 5 threes in laker game.we got killed without kobe still so if we had lewis hitting 4 out 5 we still be no contender... marion,well he would hit about 1 out of 5 and play good defense on fox.umm? did fox even score? odom is awesome,but since this city is not a basketball city,and odom is worth atleasta cat,then we are stuck with leftover players team don want or cant afford...BINGO!! to much money,we didnt want tmac for a 37 hakeem,so what makes you think we want any good players? break it down simply... we need defense,threes,breaks,rebounds marion=no handles,no threes lewis=no handles,nodefense odom=everthing,but un attainable see.... so.... we.... need a player that isnt demanding to destroy our cap right off the bat... only a draft pick would fill that role, so we need to draft a sf..i can see its been narrowed down to dunleavy,jared,..great thats the missing piece to get us in the finals ,Lol
What's funny about people who criticize about Marion's lack of skills are dwelling what he doesn't bring, as opposed to what he does bring. He would be the Rockets best man-to-man defender by a longshot. Their best finisher by a longshot. Their best rebounder, and arguably, shot blocker. If you think that we need another guy who can put on a dribbling show for 24 seconds, then you are foolish. Also, Marion is not a finished product. I love how everyone is saying that KT is constantly improving. Yet, Marion somehow, came into the league as a finished product. Marion was very raw when he came into the NBA, and he has shown strides of improvement. I can't say that he will develop a great 3 pt shot, or get a better handle, but I can say that the skills he has now, would help the Rockets tremendously. If you don't think we need a guy who can score easy buckets, rebound, defend, and block shots, then you might as well jump into the Buffalo Bayou.
I agree with you here kidrock. Marion has only begun to tap his potential. What people forget is that many of the top players - especially at SF - only begin to scratch the surface of their potential in year 3 or 4 of their careers. After all, Grant Hill was considered a mere slasher until he developed his jumper after about 4 seasons. Scottie Pippen had a lot of developing to do coming out of whatever podunk college he came out of in Arkansas. Marion still has some work to do, but there are only a couple of the top SFs in the league - namely McGrady - who have a higher ceiling than he does. When you can get a star player like that, you can change the system. If the Rockets could get Marion, I'd rebuild the team around him, Francis, and Griffin. He's done well next to Kidd and Marbury...he'd thrive next to Franchise for many years.
That's the big ? though. Is Rudy willing to change his system around the players he has? Past history says no... If Rudy is finally willing to build his system around his players as opposed to forcing players into his system, Marion would be a perfect fit for our needs. If we had Marion and Griffin on the boards, we wouldn't need Francis to rebound, which would mean more fast break opportunities. And on the occasion that Marion and Francis go on the fast break, that is a deadly combo, assuming Francis improves his fast break skills at PG. Pippen really could have been the missing link for us. As far as a perimeter creator goes. However, Rudy forced Pippen to play the typical SF role in our offense, which basically is stand at the 3 pt line. If we got Marion, would Rudy realize that Marion is not a 3 pt shooter? Would he realize that Marion is great away from the ball, which would mean we'd have to have movement away from the ball?
Are Marion's handles any better than they were when he first entered the league? Not really. Will Marion be able to get his hideous jump shot off once his hops start decreasing? Not unless he changes his form. Is Marion a good player? Yes. Is Marion good enough to deserve the max (and at a long term salary)? No. Marion is essentially a Dennis Rodman type player. Rodman players are key ingredients to championship teams, but do not deserve the max.
You had a pretty good post up until this part. Also, does it matter how much Marion makes or will make? If the Rockets plan on maxing out Francis, we won't be under the cap anytime soon anyway. Unless you are Les Alexander, salaries shouldn't be a concern.
