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Forbes Article About PS4, Xbox 720, and Nintendo "Us"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by RC Cola, Jul 30, 2008.

  1. RC Cola

    RC Cola Member

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    Nothing really new, but I thought it was interesting to see an article like this about the new next-gen consoles that are still so far away:
    http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/28/game-consoles-nextgen-tech-intel-cx_cm_0729consoles_print.html
     
  2. ClutchCityReturns

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    So do you guys think that we will see something more like the Nintendo "ON" system that circulated online before Wii came out? I know it wasn't real, but if Nintendo is going to do something new again and it won't be for another 6 years or so, then how could they do anything less?
     
  3. Bandwagoner

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    I hope they go less extreme than the PS3 and XBox 360 are.

    These things are large hot computers that don't work as easily as a computer.
     
  4. Franchise3

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    My initial guess would be that market penetration for these new systems is relatively low (most notably for the PS3). "System selling" games have started to hit the streets, the catalogs of games for each system are really starting to come together, and the prices for the systems are starting to fall to more reasonable. I know I've heard multiple of my friends pick up a Wii or PS3 this year.

    Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if I got a good 8 years of use out of my PS3 (which I bought this summer).
     
  5. emjohn

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    I'd assume Nintendo releases a second Wii that has hi-def graphics, a larger HDD, and a much more powerful CPU. Essentially a Wii that matches the technology of the PS3...but released after the components fall in price (become dated). Only makes sense. Upgrade, but stay behind the tech curve enough to keep the console dirt cheap.

    The XBox can make a leap to catch up to the Sony hardware in a few years. I'm not sure where Sony goes from here. They overreached so much, I'm not sure where else to go. The HD TV market is going to need a few years to catch up to them.

    I think Sony and MS have their best chance in cashing in by releasing "iPhone" modeled handhelds. A PSP2 and MS equivalent. One possible thing to try would be to have the games load into a dock, and then be uploaded onto the mobile game system via USB, Firewire, or WiFi. The handheld could be armed with enough flash memory for this, and you'd have a thin, light, eye-popping screen with side controls. Make it double as a phone, portable computer, etc....

    Evan
     
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  6. RC Cola

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    Was that the helmet?

    Um...that seems a little too crazy IMO, although I guess things could change in 6 years or so. Maybe keep the head-tracking idea, but do it differently. Seems like it was be easier and "safer" to continue down the road they're going, although I gave up trying to predict this kind of stuff a while back.

    I'd rather keep it roughly the same, maybe just slightly less extreme (although that will probably happen regardless).

    That seemed to make the most sense, although I will say that the more I think about it and the longer it takes to happen, the more I start to question this strategy.

    Based on current trends, I'd be a bit more worried about Microsoft than Sony, especially if it takes another 6 or so years to get a new console (maybe not counting a Wii HD). Both will have a lot of tough decisions to make though.

    Never really got into the gaming-device-as-a-phone idea, but I guess it could be pretty interesting. I know there are rumors that Sony wants to put out a PSP branded phone (or something like that), although those have been going on for a long time. I think you can actually use the PSP as a phone using Skype, although I'm not sure how good it is. Probably pretty awkward in its current form, something that would probably be much different in a device designed specifically for making calls.
     
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    graphics are gonna be insane. lol
     
  8. bladeage

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    I just wanna play Prototype!
     
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    There is a market for a gaming system/PC built into HDTV's.

    I think Sony is trying to go down this path and they might ruin it for everyone. It's a great idea if someone can get it right.
     
  10. peleincubus

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    that article says all the way until perhaps 2018. yah right no possible way they wait that long. hell they will be talking about ps5 by that time coming out in a couple of years.

    people act like an entire decade is right around the corner or something.
     
  11. tinman

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    there's a reason why they don't do that. cause what if the gaming system screws up? you have to return the entire TV? also TVs emit enough heat, that plus a game system in one?
     
  12. ClutchCityReturns

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    Well, I said "something more like" the "ON" mock up. Not necessarily a VR helmet. Maybe something that features a head sensor, perhaps mounted on a light, non-intrusive headphone type structure, in order to accomplish something like this...

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Jd3-eiid-Uw&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Jd3-eiid-Uw&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    Add that plus competent online play, better graphics, HD support, and maybe a Blu-Ray player (which should be relatively cheap in 5 years) and you can still come in at a lower price point than whatever monster machines Sony and Microsoft put out there. I just don't think they can come out with updated graphics, because I'm pretty sure Sony and Microsoft are going to emulate motion sensor technology.
     
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    man...i dont even have a ps3 yet and they are already thinking about the future of gaming
     
  14. lpbman

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    Sony has already done this with the Vaio LT. The real "wow" moment comes when a fresh company does it for about the same price a traditional set. "System on a chip" will be here in 5 years.
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    I don;t think there is a future in huge, $$$ hog systems that lose money for years.


    I think PS3 and MS thought this generation would basically decide who is the winner and who will be the challenger next time.

    Wii has shown that for gaming systems most people want the simple plug in turn on systems.

    Honestly my computer has better graphics than my PS3, and it is quieter.
     
  16. RC Cola

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    Yeah, 2018 seems a bit too far off. 2012 is probably about right though. I could possibly be OK with 2014, although that starting to push it.

    Yeah, I was thinking something along the same lines (basically where I got the term "head-tracking" from). I don't quite like the idea of having to put on a headset or something like that though. Maybe you could accomplish something similar with multiple cameras and/or sensors though (use facial recognition or something). Not sure if there is software out there that can handle this, but maybe it will be possible in another 5-6 years, especially as more research is done into user-interface technology.

    I guess the next thing to look at is whether this will really improve games. The technology is pretty awesome, and it has its uses in a number of areas, but if it is going to be the next big innovation in gaming, it needs be offer an improvement over the old model. Nintendo (or whoever) would have to come up with a lot of great software that uses it well, making it easy for everyone to understand and enjoy. There's a lot of great tech out there, but it is sometimes difficult to find a way to use it correctly. Technically speaking, the technology with the Wii isn't particularly complex, but Nintendo was able to figure out a great way to implement it into a video game console.

    I'm not so sure we'll see a repeat with the high prices when next-gen comes around, or at least I would think both companies would think long and hard about repeating history. Well...given the economy and other factors, that's probably not accurate, but I think both companies might try to play it a little safer with their next consoles. The next transition would be a bit easier than the last one; the move to HD, as well as other factors, made things kind of difficult.

    They think about the next consoles as soon the current one hits store shelves, if not sooner. Pretty sure they already had some things planned for the PS3 when the PS2 was barely released. IIRC, development on Cell started around 2000 too.

    If the systems are on the market for 3-4 extra years, this probably isn't a problem. Sony has done well with this strategy for 2-3 products, and I don't know if they'll be willing to make too much of a drastic change. Maybe too early to tell, but PS3 will probably still get them a lot of money...maybe even w/o counting anything related to Blu-ray.

    I'd rather have more powerful systems and longer console generations, so I'd rather things stay similar to the 360/PS3...or perhaps a bit more like the PS2 might be a more accurate comparison.

    I don't think the PC will be much of a competitor to these consoles for most people.
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    I like the PS2 also, but this jump from PS2 to PS3 was much larger. I guess they are trying to make their console a part of the home entertainment. Possibly in the future with huge HDD's and a DVR option.
     
  18. RC Cola

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    I agree. The PS3 was a bigger jump, and I'm not sure it would be necessary to do the same in future consoles. But the jump to the PS2 was still pretty big, and I think it might be something MS and Sony would try to stick to in future consoles. At least with the PS4, Sony wouldn't have to worry about extra costs with a new optical disc technology, and they possibly won't have to spend as much on designing and manufacturing a CPU (this might also help drop the costs for backwards compatibility, although it might depend on the PS4 using a Nvidia GPU).

    You can still get a relatively big jump in hardware power while still providing a console that isn't too expensive.
     

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