You're making good points but how do you KNOW for sure a player won't get injured? You don't. Whether you're the most durable guy in the world or you're the most fragile guy, the point is you know nothing since you can't predict injuries. At this point i'm willing to gamble a bit. The prospect of losing him for nothing then rolling into next season with an empty hole in our frontcourt is too unsettling. I don't want to risk losing Landry and then attempting to replace him with some Othella Harrington type of player. I'm sure this whole "Landry to Europe?" scheme was cooked up by Buddy Baker and is possibly bogus but the the point is there's always that possibility. These Euro teams are proving they are both willing to pay and capable of prying away these type of players. I don't want to be like the Hawks. Give him the MLE and let's focus on filling out the roster and making our tweaks.
Hindsigts 20/20, Landry should have been last in line to sign cause he was the 2nd round pick and showed no sign of bucking the odds of a 2nd round rookie becoming a super sub his first year. I'm sure the Rox would give Landry high 1st round money, as Landry is worth the risk but Baker is pushing for full MLE. Anyway, I don't see what we are losing by having a portion of our MLE locked up. Its designated for Landry and Dorsey. I can't think of anyone on the market I'd rather have than Landry, despite the potential knee problem. If he can get more comfortable with his mid-range jumpshot, improve on his help defense and get more work in the post, all of which he has shown flashes to do well, he will still be an excellent rotational player because he is a gamer. He is the fiercest competitor on the Rox roster. And if his explosive leaping powers hold up while the rest of his game develops, Scola may end up on the trading block. Buddy's playing hardball cause Landry could be something special. I can't think of many NBA players with the competitve spirit and toughness of Landry.
I didn't know that. If that's so, that may be a significant problem for Landry. Otherwise, I think going to Europe is a good option for him. I disagree that he can't get a good offer there; I think he probably could get something decent. I do think Morey has messed up on Landry's contract this offseason as well as last offseason. Obviously, in retrospect that 1-year deal last offseason didn't work out to well. But, this offseason I think it was a bad call to not pursue other FAs with the full MLE. They could have pursued guys better than Landry in positions of more need. If Landry signed an offer sheet in the interim, you could then choose what you wanted to do. If you find a guy you need more than Landry that you want to sign, you let Landry go. I think Morey gave up options too early.
Landry was the 1st player taken in the second round at #31 which was 5 picks behind Brooks. You don't gamble and put him in the back of the line on signing him ie.(years), the rockets had already payed a million dollars in buying the pick. I am probably one of the biggest Morey supporters around, but objectively he blew the signing of Landry, almost every other 2nd round pick drafted after Landry was given a much better deal. And I disagree with you 100% about Landry being the fiercest competitor on the rockets, he's up there but I"ll put my money on Scola all day (Scola has the highest motor on the team and probably one of the highest in the league).
Carl Landry does not want to leave Houston for Europe. Isn't europe just as bad as going to canada? Show some US pride American nba players. Josh Childress saw tons of dollar signs. I dont think Carl will leave for whatever a european league offers him, which shouldn't be much. If landry does choose to leave then maybe we can sign that true 3rd scorer this team definitely needs. He's not going to get Luis Scola's starting position any time soon.
We can always do a sign and trade with Landry, that way we can get a player in return and Landry can get a better contract with another contract. I would love for him to stay but his agent is holding us back too much.
I know a lot ppl do not want to pay Landry MLE and has the right reason to do so. But, Landry rookie year performance has been exceptionally good, his PER is unbelievable and so do his motivation (the lost tooth) and his heart. I personally think he has earned his pay check and should be paid. Saying that, I understand Rockets hope to use the MLE to improve their roster to be a stronger contender. I hope some sort of compromise/solution can be agreed upon between Landry and the Rockets (i.e. Landry got a reasonable pay and Rockets get to sign a good playher with the MLE) soon
In Landry's first week of action, when he got into the rotation mid seaseon, he received I think 8 stiches on 2 occasions, one from diving for a loose ball into the Rox bench, the second from fighting for a rebound and Jeff Foster fell on his head which also gave him a concussion. And, of course he lost a tooth to Boozer, after which he still tried to pass the ball to a teammate and came back in the second half. Also, in almost every game since he was put into the rotation, Landry's facial expressions were all over the place, I actually thought he was on the verge of tears out of frustration on some plays. No disrespect to Luis though, he plays with heart and passion and never ever gives up on a play. He made numerous steals out of pure hustle last year.
Its because Morey used Landry's rookie contract money (part of the MLE) to sign Francis, so the 1 year contract was the best they could offer him.
After hearing all of this I'm starting to change my tune. Screw the salary cap. Give Landry whatever he wants. Even if that means going over the salary cap and thus screwing the Rockets' future prospects of having a decent team. Well, then again, with players drawing T-Mac's salary, its hard to have a decent team under the salary cap regardless of what one does...
76. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded? Under no circumstances can a team sign and then trade another team's free agent. But there is a rule that allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes, called the sign-and-trade rule. Under the sign-and-trade rule, the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract which stipulates that the contract is invalid if the player's rights are not traded to the specific team within 48 hours. A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players who have been renounced, but cannot be made when the player is signed using the Mid-Level, Bi-Annual or Disabled Player exceptions. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for three years or longer, but only the first season of the contract must be guaranteed. The three year minimum (even though the last two seasons may be non-guaranteed) ensures that the new team will not acquire Bird rights to the player any sooner than if they had signed him directly, because if they want to give him a new contract using Bird rights then they would have to waive him first, which resets the Bird clock. One complication with sign-and-trade deals is that the signed player can immediately become a BYC player (see question number 73 for more information on BYC), so the player's BYC value must be used when determining whether the trade is allowed. If a sign-and-trade contract contains a signing bonus, then either team can pay it. By default the team that signs the player pays the signing bonus (as with any other contract), but since a sign-and-trade is in essence a contract with the receiving team, the teams can agree that the receiving team will pay it. However, any portion that is paid by the signing team counts toward the $3 million limit for cash included in a trade (which in effect limits the portion of a signing bonus that can be paid by the signing team to $3 million). If a sign-and-trade contract contains a trade bonus, then the bonus is not earned upon the trade that accompanies the signing, but rather on the first subsequent trade. See question number 80 for more information on how long a team must wait after signing a contract before they can trade a player.
All of these threads about Landry should come with a poll, because I'm convinced he's going to be here. I think Morey's leveraging everything he can in bringing up his health. And all this is much ado about nothing. And we're all very bored.
...your right - I should have clarified a little better. What I meant was, I wouldn't sign a contract for a player who the doctors said wouldn't be able to perform at a professional level for an extended period of time. I realize an injury prone player is always a risk but Morey is right to at very least make sure medically he checks out 100% right now. If he breaks an arm or tweaks a hamstring later on or even hurts the same knee in a different way then that's just tough luck but I wouldn't sign Landry if a doctor says his knee isn't strong enough and he will repeat this injury in a matter of time. You can't predict if a player will get injured, but you can do due diligence to make sure a player is physically capable of playing over the life of a contract as decided by a medical professional. I can't for the life of me understand why Landry's agent is preventing this simple request...
...to be thorough, he had already lost the real tooth from a Deke elbow in practice. Boozer knocked out the temporary tooth that was there to replace the one missing from his run in with Dikembe's elbows.
That's why Scolandry was the best rookie. Having said that I don't think the Rockets should offer him the entire MLE.
