It's ok. It separates the paper chasers from the trophy chasers. They can have Josh Childress, Boki Nachbar, and Primo. Those guys didn't get outrageous offers and therefore, couldn't make it on an NBA team. Let's rehash this subject if LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Dwight Howard...or even Arenas, Baron Davis, Elton Brand, or Emeka Okafor decide to spring for Europe. The NBA basically traded Ginobili, Scola, Nocioni, Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Tony Parker, etc. for Childress, Boki, Primo, and that college kid. And for future considerations, the NBA traded Spanoulis and Torraye Braggs to Europe.
wade said that if teams offer him $40 mil, he'll leave. well DUH wade! and no taxes too lol. but seriously, if they do offer the superstars $20+ mil, they will leave. hell, if a team offers lebron $30+ mil in 2010, he'll bounce to europe. but however, it's hard to market themselves over there b/c do we even watch anything over in Europe? while Europe and the rest of the world can watch sports played over here. we're fine.
you should just go back and read my post again and think about it. right now it might only be nba bench players or borderline rotation players. but like i said, a couple of years ago this wasn't the case. we clearly have a new trend here and if you deny this fact, well, fine, i don't care. but this trend IS the important thing. it'll close the gap between fiba and the nba much quicker so that there WILL BE a time when players like dirk, gasol, parker and so on won't go over to the nba. instead there will be even nba stars going over to europe. we might not be there yet, but this time will come. that was always certain. the current trend just speeds things up. and like i said in the other thread, i'm not really a friend of this situation. but still, i can't deny the facts. i'm probably a little more objective than most here since i'm from europe (so i know a little bit more about international basketball than the average poster here) and am a huge nba fan for many years. btw, there won't be any nba players going to germany in the near feature. at least this is a sure thing. the best german team has a budget of under 10 mio $. they couldn't even afford v-span *lol*.
How is Wade making in endorsements? And how much is LeBron making? IIRC, Nike alone has a 90+ million deal with him. You'd think Nike would let LeBron leave without throwing a hissy fit? Please. I'm sure they have some contractual clause in place that would severely handicap LeBron's endorsement earnings, if not void it altogether, were he to abandon the US market for some Euro team. Salary is just a part of how the superstars in this league fatten their wallets and bank accounts.
They probably won't get top players in their prime. What they can do is get a top player near the end of his career, sort of like the Peles and Beckhams of basketball. But the more important acquisitions would be high potential rookies. If they would throw money at an 18-year-old Kobe or T-Mac, they could reap a superstar in a few years.
i guess childress dont know that in europe afroamerican without shot struggles court is smaller, tighter defense, more tactical and technique game than in usa, where game is more physical
I hope the league is taking the threat more seriously than some posters here. I think the international leagues have a real opportunity to make gains talent-wise on the NBA until the end of the current CBA because there is so much artificiality in the NBA market that can be exploited by international teams. RFA status is hurting them; the cap is hurting them and the MLE is no longer adequate to balance it. The addition of each player with NBA experience just makes their leagues a little more legit and allows them to add guys of higher and higher caliber. People who want to wait until a bonafide star defects to Europe before they pull their head out of the sand are waiting too long. If the League waits that long, it'll be too late. By then, Europe will be respected as just as good a league, it'll have momentum, and they pay good money. Then, the NBA will be fighting on every player to keep them Stateside.
Also, Don't forget that regardless of which "style" of ball you prefer, or think is right, Euro or NBA, if players start moving between the 2 leagues more often, and in younger ages, they're bound to develop better. A player like Josh Childress who is a good all-around player of NBA ball and is still able to "learn" new tricks could return to the NBA in 3 years as a much more complete player than if he stayed in the NBA. The shorter seasons/less games will probably keep him in better shape as far as injuries go and he's gonna be what? 27?28? Not too old to not be able to readjust to NBA ball. So he gets , more money, less games, a chance to focus on skills that the NBA doesn't focus on that much to get a better all-around game and possibly a slightly longer career by having 3 less strenuous seasons. Europe is not a bad place to live eitehr for a while... If more younger players start taking all those things into consideration this could get very interesting...
What Europe leagues need is a large enough audience capacity. That's all they need. Everything else they already have or will have (Money, marketing expertise, management expertise, etc. See soccer. ). If the basketball fever (growing now) keeps growing for a significant length of time, say 15 years, then Euro leagues as a whole or one of the Euro leagues will be in a position strong enough to rival and defeat NBA as the world's most watched basketball league. The world's largest (in terms of money and viewership) sports clubs are already in Europe. If only 30% of the soccer fans become basketball fans too......
The problem is that Europe's basketball leagues aren't geared to be competitive - They're like the soccer leagues. It's tilted towards a few giants at the top who play in modern stadiums, buy the best players, then batter the lesser teams who play in smoke-filled high school gymnasia. There's a finite #of spots for Americans in most leagues by rule and there's a finite number of teams that can afford to pay 7 figure salaries at all.
The latest NBA to Europe signing is Herbert Hill drafted 55th last year by Philly. He missed the entire season due to a season-ending injury but Philly kept him on their books. http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/34059/180
That's true - but then those 'giants' slug it out against each other in 'Euroleague' (the basketball equivalent of soccers UEFA champions league). I don't know the exact mechanics of it, but basically the best teams from various competitions in Europe play off against each other to see who is crowned champion. The sheer volume of NBA games in a season compared to European games is crazy! Personally I can't see how even the big clubs can afford to pay their players with only 35 games to make their revenue - what's that, 17-18 home games? Either tickets are expensive, or there's a helluva lot of sponsorship doing the rounds... My guess would be that a 'mega' club like CSKA Moscow would 'only' be spending around 20mill Euros?
LOL @ everyone overreacting to the "talent" we are losing. Josh Childress Ricky Davis Bostjan Nachbar Delonte West Carlos Delfino These guys are very replaceable. Even Josh Childress, while he was a great player to have off the bench, players at his talent level leaving the NBA won't change the overall dynamic. Someone with less talent will step up and overachieve, and if they don't, they will be replaced by someone who does. The superstars, all-stars and above average role players aren't going anywhere and that's all that really matters.
Childress won't stay overseas for more than a year, bank on it. As soon as he shows any signs of improvement, he will be willing to come back to the NBA as a restricted FA and add to his NBA career stats.
if you factor in domestic cup & euroleauge (not all teams qualify for of course) it's more like 60+ games But the simple answer is that many clubs (particularly in Russia) are seemingly willing - for the short term - to operate at a loss. from a good article on it from Draft Express: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Thoughts-on-the-Euro-Fever-2971 more
Of course. Atlanta is going to have to renounce him to use the salary cap space he takes up to sign a big free agent. He'll then be free to get a market rate for his talent from an NBA team.
It has to start somewhere, and we can make all the guarantees we want about how player X and player Y would never choose Europe over the NBA. But until about a month ago, most of us never even considered Europe an option for anybody but the absolute scrubbiest of scrubs. Now you've got a top draft pick forgoing a year at college to play overseas, and Mid-Level exception talent following suit. For a month's time, that is a huge development. So who's to say how things will be a year from now. How about 5 years? It could be much different, and the truth is that we won't know until we get there.
