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morey on the cutting edge

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by denniscd, Jul 22, 2008.

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  1. DudeWah

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    lol
    good thing its late at night and we needed some entertaining
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    You provided a fair share ;)
     
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    What else are we here for homie? :)
     
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    Rafer bashing?? JK :)
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  4. FFz

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    seems more like that landry fan is taking the high road and that other guy is just being an ******* to me. Anyway interesting stuff denniscd! Offseason is so boring without anything to talk about!
     
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    You're really biased dude.

    Dumars is the best GM in the league, with the Spurs coming next. But that's it. That doesn't mean Morey is not amazing. Plus, the Pistons (IMO) have been screwed for 2 seasons and will be next season.
     
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    Morey needs to spend more money on the medical staff not the stats staff. Yao Ming and T-Mac's health play a more important role in our game failures than our bench guys. Cut the recovery time and frequency of injuries and games won go up.
     
  7. Old Man Rock

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    You smell like a troll.

    A little optimism for someone doing a good job on the team you root for is part of being a fan. And the reality is Morey has made very good choices with the little he has had to work with. Scola for a departing VSpan. Landry for a future second round pick, squeezing 2 second round picks for moving down just a few spots and then getting the man you wanted in the first place.

    Not to mention Donte looks like a better prospect than the guys picked before him and most of the non lottery picks for that matter. And les you forget we got Dorsey out of the deal and a very valuable second round pick which is sure to be one of the top 2 or 3 picksin that round. And we all have seen what Morey can do with second round picks.

    As far as getting out of the first round, it's all about improving and the Rockets have done that. 55 wins, 22 game win streak. Had Yao not gone down we would have secured the number one seed in the conference and who knows how far we would have gone.

    So keep your troll based negative posts... as a Rocket fan I will be optimistic about our GM's work.
     
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    You mean Tony Parker, who the coaching staff was ready to pass up after a bad workout, until Sam Presti put together a new video to convince management to hire. Sam Presti went to Seattle. Pritchard moved to Portland.
     
  9. thumbs

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    Not everyone who fails to put Morey on a pedestal is a troll. I still hold a grudge over the Rudy Gay trade, although taking a chance on Donte Greene somewhat ameliorates this travesty.

    Statistics are useful but excessive stattering cannot provide a true evaluation of a player. I would trade Morey for Kevin Pritchard every day of the week. With the draft and trades he has rebuilt a Portland team that is poised for a decade of contention. What breaks my Rocket heart is that we are poised for more winning seasons and first round exits.

    Morey has had some luck (i.e. Scola after Danny Ferry didn't pull the trade trigger with the Spurs) but none of his other moves are proven. Brooks (an Adelman choice) and Landry are still not proven. Landry was passed over 30 times because of his knees -- and he has already shown that he is a knee-bump away from sub-NBA status (thus enters Dorsey).

    Only with time can we elevate or dismiss Morey.
     
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    Pritchard is another stat hound/moneyball guy. If we are going dismiss stats, a non-moneyball guy would have been better. Dumars, maybe.
     
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    Dumars is not perfect either, remember he took Darko over guys like Carmelo, Wade, and Bosh.
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    SMOKE SCREEN!!!!


    Morey don't give a **** about stats, he just wants people to think that way so they don't know his real secret:

    Get beefy guys.
     
  13. wingz0

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    Exactly.

    And if you wanna compare Morey and Pritchard and what they've done, you have to take into account the fact that we're in the playoffs every year minus the one season where both Yao and Mac went down with injuries, whereas Pritchard has been picking in the lottery for a few seasons now.

    I'm sure if Morey were picking in the teens, his moves would be even more glorified. No matter what anyone says, you have to give up something or the other when you're picking in the 20s.
     
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    insanity!
     
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    Because I can :D

    I must say it took me a lot longer to read your post because of those long pauses. Sheesh! Are the excessive periods meant to convey something else? Am I reading them wrong?

    Also, I didn't know you could use grammatical errors. Here I am letting them go to waste. That's why my posts lack fire! I see now!


    ..... onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn topicccccccccccc.....


    Morey has been doing an excellent job and deserves all the props he can get. If you're going to make an argument that he doesn't deserve props because we haven't been out of the first round, you have to realize that GMs don't win games. They help, but in the end it's up to the players and a little bit of luck. I guess it's Morey's fault that Yao got hurt? It's also his fault that Andrei Flopalinko gets one of the worst calls I've ever seen?

    Additional statisticians can only help Morey. He's already done amazing things here given the situation and I have no doubt that he's going to continue making great moves for this franchise.


    Moreyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.... :p
     
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    As I said, "Statistics are useful but excessive stattering cannot provide a true evaluation of a player."

    True, Pritchard, Petrie and even Dumars to an extent use statistics in their evaluations. However, they all have experience as players to balance those statistics. Hence, they much better understand RudyT's "heart of a champion" approach to player evaluations. They understand what it takes to play high-level basketball.
     
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    Interestingly enough, I heard an interview last night with the card counter from MIT that is friends with Morey. He is part of the team that consults for the Trailblazers, and through their analysis of the Durant/Oden draft, they advised the Trailblazers to pick Durant. They felt that Oden had a high probability of injury.

    Score one for the stat geeks.
     
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    I will acknowledge that I think Morey's done a rather exceptional job with what he's had thus far. However, I think it will take years to assert that he is "way ahead of his time" or anything along those lines.

    p.s. trade mcgrady
     
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    no, you did by implying the 'rook' assertion multiple times, as if it has any sort of bearing what so ever. don knotts? honestly the way you built up your first reply, i was expecting more

    i think i did make a point.....you guys give him too much credit was my point, you are the one who decided to break down one tiny sentence and pinpoint every grammatical flaw and over analyze it to death. if morey takes a crap, people here start posting 'morey lays gold eggs' threads. please. calm down. and please point out where i used the stephen a smith first round exit point? donk. you're right, that air ball to boozer was the only reason we lost that round.......(<<<excessive periods :eek: )




    compared to you or me? wtf....is that your argument? i'm not comparing him to you or me, why do you keep making up **** i never said or even implied? for someone who is claiming another persons posts are weak, this argument is 'pretty weak' do i look like a nba GM? have i ever pretended to be one? why would you compare darryl morey to me? i'm just a guy posting on an internet fan site........if you are gonna compare apples to oranges, forget the rest of my reply.



    an all star most of his career? LOL. if by most of his career, you mean less than half, then okay....?!?. even if it were true, all star games should have little to do with wether a guy should be signed. for a huge stats guy, morey must not have done his homework on steve, just look at his stats the last couple of seasons, thats high potential? steve was a low-risk low-reward, and i personally believe morey knew that going in. but hey, he'll bring people to toyota center.......and he did.

    i agree with you about deke, for the most part. bringing him back next year just seems fatal to me. given yao's history, this is who morey wants to ease yao's minutes burden? hmmmm. i wonder how those 15-20 stats guys sold that idea.




    again you are taking things out of context. cheers. my issue with hieght is not silly. besides, it wasn't my point. my issue is with stock piling 6-7 forwards who can't shoot FT's.

    why not? it was my entire point. i didn't say, 'morey deserves noooooooooo credit' i do trust in morey. i'm just not ready to crown him a genius GM as you have with less than 2 seasons under his belt. is he better than most gm's? in my opinion, yes. is he the best? no. not yet. get it kid?


    i wasn't asking for any 'credit' you are the one who obviously seeks some sort of approval from this joint. i could be banned right now, and i promise you i will still get up in the morning and still follow the rockets. so please, fret not, you can still over analyze, take more of my words out of context and make up stuff that isn't factual. if that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. i'm not too worried.
     
  20. hooroo

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    Jeff Ma is Portland's stat guy. Paul Allen allegedly describes Pritchard as "Golden guts" for his ability to identify NBA prospects I assume with his "gut feeling".
     

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