Francis ranks 16th in top 50 NBA players from The Sporting News

Its ashame Mobley is not on that list. He certainly is better then a few guys i saw on that list. The guy still get no respect despite averaging over 21 pts.

 

http://bbs.clutchcity.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29761
I beat ya to it.

 

Did anyone notice what was said about Duncan?

Umm, was this written by a 10 year old who never saw Hakeem, Robinson, Moses, Kareem, Chamberlain, or Russell? There's now ay that right now Duncan can hold a candle to any of them. If I had to pick the best all round center of all time there's no doubt its the Dream for me (which is biased). How can anyone think Duncan is near as good? Hakeem was much more of a defensive stopper, a better passer, a better scorer, and led a team of role players to a championship (Duncan got to have that HOF David Robinson guy close to his prime). Defensively though, there's no way Duncan is even close to Russell and offensively he's not close to either Chamberlain or Kareem.

 

I think the consensus top ten was interesting:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/articles/20020228/386714.html

Only 10 players were ranked in the top 30 on every ballot: Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.

That means some guys loved Francis and some guys were not so high on him. Didn't realize Pierce was so highly regarded everywhere.

These players received votes but didn't make the top 50 cut: Richard Hamilton (Wizards), Marcus Camby (Knicks), Jamaal Tinsley (Pacers), Cuttino Mobley (Rockets), Kenyon Martin (Nets), Danny Fortson (Warriors), Rashard Lewis (SuperSonics) and Bonzi Wells (Trail Blazers).

So you guys thinking Cat got dissed should hush, he just wasn't "popular".

Off the top, I think Bonzi was pretty good til he got hurt, and Jamaal was doing good until his sophomore slump started this year.

 

Are we the highest scoring backcourt in the league? (Moochie, Torres, and Tierre included)

Is there a way I can find this out (easily)?


I think only Mobley and Francis average 42pts, right?

 

It's not easy but you could go to NBA.com and list scoring by position and then total up each team. The main problem is some guys play 2 and 3 and you wouldn't know where they are listed at nba.com, like Wally S of Minnesota is 6 foot 7 and plays the two alot from what I've read.

 

I'm glad to see Stevie that high. Still think he should have been ranked a little higher but look who's behind him. All in all it could have been worse. Brand's at 25.
Also the comment on Payton should have been said for Stevie.

"No team relies on a single player more than the Sonics do on Payton."

 

Is this guy serious? The best power forward ever I am shocked. What happened to Barkley, M. Malone, etc, etc. One of the best in history... I can understand that, but the best? The guy's smokin pot.

 

The Bucks might be close with Cassell and Allen.

 

Miggidy Markell,

I don't like Malone either (the Karl version), but you can make an extremely good arguement for him as the best PF ever. He has been extremely consistent and outside of getting a few blocks a game has done everything you want out of a PF for the last 15 years. He's scored at least 23 ppg, averaged over 10 rpg a good portion of his career, shoots free throws well, won an MVP, and was the main reason his team was a solid contender for 10 years.

As far as Mo Malone, wasn't he considered an undersized center? Also, I think Barkley didn't have the ideal size you want out of a PF so that hurt him (especially on defense) though he was definitely a better rebounder. You could argue Chuck, but I don't think anyone could say you're out of your mind for thinking Karl Malone is the best PF ever.

 

I agree...as much as I hate Malone, I have to admit that he probably is the best PF in league history. The only thing holding him back is the ring - and that could be quite a detriment. His teams in the Jordan retirement years talent wise could have won.

 

I'll have to agree also. I hate Karl Malone but he schooled Barkley in the 97 conference finals. Hakeem carried us as far as he could, but Barkley and Drexler didnt help us enough in that series to move on... Which is a shame bc that could have been the best final ever - Drexler, Barkley, Hakeem v. Jordan, Pippen and Rodman. It still pains me that we lost that series.

 

no way francis is ahead of allen or pierce. malone - its close.

 

i dunno about mobley - is he really a top 50 guy in the entire nba? its close. i could see high 40s.

you guys criticize him enough to at least realize hes not a lock for a list like that.

 

NugzFan,

As much whining on here as there is about Mobley you'd get the impression that Rockets fans hate the guy! LOL. I personally have grown to love him. He came in very raw, but he has improved his game every year he's been in the league. At first he improved his finish around the basket, then his rebounding last year, and this year his 3pt stroke has come along very nicely. My only concern about Mobley is how he would fit in with our team if we didn't need him to score more than 16 or 17 ppg. Could he adjust to that role and become more of a team player (more defense and passing)? Its a tough question and if we ever become an elite team then its one that will have to be answered (EG will be more of a force in the future and we are sure to find a SF that can at least score some points).

I don't know if I'd put Mobley in the top 50 or not. Its close, but I think he'll get his props next year if he continues to do what he's doing this year.

 

actually after looking closely at the list, mobley should be on there! holy crap there are some unworthy guys on the list!

he should be on there easy.

 

Deke is the only person I think that doesn't deserve to be in the top 25... I pretty much agree with that list 96%...

:-D

As for the second 25, right off the bat Marbury and Robinson are too high... Marbury should be on the list, but further down for sure... Grant Hill and McDyess deserve to be there. Just cause they had some bad luck with injuries doesn't make them bad players. (anyone who challenges this fact had better take Francis off the list for missing half the season already) I have to admit I have no idea why Vlade still gets so much love... Antonio Davis and Keith Van Horn are very, very questionable.

Missing Names: ?
Cuttino Mobley
Jason Terry
Rashard Lewis
Raef Lafrentz
(you laugh, but look at their numbers)
Darrell Armstrong
Brent Barry

 

Brent Barry? Darrel Armstrong? I've seen it all!