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  1. treeman

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    Where Two Worlds Collide
    Muslim Schools Face Tension of Islamic, U.S. Views
    By Valerie Strauss and Emily Wax

    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Monday, February 25, 2002; Page A01

    Eleventh-graders at the elite Islamic Saudi Academy in Northern Virginia study energy and matter in physics, write out differential equations in precalculus and read stories about slavery and the Puritans in English.

    Then they file into their Islamic studies class, where the textbooks tell them the Day of Judgment can't come until Jesus Christ returns to Earth, breaks the cross and converts everyone to Islam, and until Muslims start attacking Jews.

    At the Al-Qalam All-Girls School in Springfield, seventh-graders learn about the American Revolution and about respecting other people's beliefs. But students in class also talk about the taunts they face outside the school gates -- being called "terrorist" and "bomber" -- and ask whether Osama bin Laden is simply the victim of such prejudice. Maps of the Middle East hang on classroom walls, but Israel is missing.

    Such tensions within the walls of Muslim day schools are in many ways emblematic of the U.S. Muslim community's political concerns, fears, biases and hopes, all brought into sharp focus since the events of Sept. 11.

    Today, these schools -- and Muslims in this country -- are at a crucial juncture, as some work to stay true to their religion while they try to adapt to the U.S. experience, a process that Catholics and Jews went through before them. At stake, educators acknowledge, is how the next generation of Muslims coming of age in the United States will participate in the country they live in.

    The fall attacks could serve as the catalyst in determining whether these schools and their students focus on the culture and politics of faraway Muslim lands or find within Islamic tradition those ideals consistent with U.S. democracy and religious liberty.

    "This is going to get us out of the cocoon, out of our little comfort zone that is more of an isolation from the community at large," said Shabbir Mansuri, founding director of the California-based Council on Islamic Education. "And it is going to put us into a position where we are going to have to put our own feet to the fire."

    The growth of the Muslim population in the United States in the past two decades has prompted a proliferation of day schools, with about a dozen located between Richmond and Baltimore. Nationally, there are estimated to be 200 to 600 of these schools, with at least 30,000 students. Thousands of others attend Islamic weekend schools.

    Most Muslim children in the United States attend public schools, but there is a growing desire for more day schools. Some schools face the same prejudices that Catholics and their schools did beginning in the 1800s, when their loyalty to the pope was seen as inherently anti-American.

    "We put Catholics through that, Jews through that, Mormons through that and many other groups," Mansuri said. "It is the Muslims' turn . . . and if Muslims are not living up to the ideas of Islam, then we certainly should take them to task."

    To that end, some Muslim educators are writing a new curriculum that infuses tenets of the religion in every lesson while providing a broad-minded worldview. Textbooks, often from overseas and rife with anti-American rhetoric, are being replaced in some schools. Some parents are forming PTAs and seeking a curriculum that teaches the civic virtues of tolerance and pluralism.

    "I wouldn't be surprised if some teachers are sometimes anti-American or anti-Semitic," said Abdulwahab Alkebsi, whose 12-year-old daughter attends the Islamic Saudi Academy. "But I don't want it to be that way.

    "I choose the school because of the same reason why all American parents choose private schools -- it's a better environment and no peer pressure of drugs and being a sex symbol at too young an age. But there are other American values -- like freedom of speech and assembly -- that we should be teaching our kids to respect."

    'A Lot of Growing to Do'

    Ali Alkhafaji, 9, a fourth-grader, poses a question for his classmates at the Washington Islamic Academy, echoing a lesson from their teacher:

    "Is it better to be a fashion star or to listen to Allah?"

    The youngsters agreed it was better to listen to God, though wide-eyed India Abdullah, 8, said: "It's hard to be a good Muslim. But if we do the right deeds and stuff, the devil is locked up and the door of heaven is unlocked."

    Yet the pictures of Britney Spears and the Islamic holy city of Mecca adorning the lockers and notebooks of two Muslim schools in Springfield attest to the challenge of providing an Islamic education amid the beckoning popular culture.

    In fact, many such schools are not considered by Muslims to be truly "Islamic" because there is not yet a curriculum that teaches all subjects through an Islamic prism -- nor is there an Americanized curriculum for Islamic studies, said Hamed El-Ghazali, head of the Muslim American Society's Council on Islamic Schools.

    Instead, they use public school curriculum and add classes in Islamic studies, Arabic language and the study of the Koran.

    The schools "do have a lot of growing to do," said Sharifa Al-Khateeb, president of the Muslim Education Council and the North American Council for Muslim Women. "They are still working out the exact curriculum. They are still working out how much readiness they would like to see in the children for taking mainstream exams. They are still going through the throes of rewriting materials that would be more appropriate for kids here in the U.S."

    With the exception of one network of schools for African American Muslims, most Muslim schools develop their own approach.

    At the coeducational New Horizon School in Los Angeles, Principal Shahida Alikhan said the school is "on the progressive side," with teachers stressing tolerance and students feeling connected to the outside world.
    In Springfield, Islamic studies teacher Majida Zeiter described a different role for the Washington Islamic Academy, serving kindergarten through fourth-grade students.

    "We want it to be a place where they don't have to assimilate, where they can practice their religion. It's like any other religious school," Zeiter said. "We teach them the history and good values and what it takes to be a good Muslim."

    Still, Zeiter said she takes pains to present balanced lessons to students, piecing together a curriculum from books published both in the United States and overseas.

    When she feels she must use material in a popular Pakistani textbook, she said, she makes photocopies of pages she needs and never uses those calling Christian beliefs "nonsense" or portraying Jews as treacherous people who financially "oppress" others. Yahiya Emerick, the author of "What Islam Is All About," said he will soon release a new edition for U.S. audiences that eliminates the tendentious parts.

    Political views, though, pervade the school.

    Third-graders at the academy spent one recent morning learning how volcanoes work and where the Great Smoky Mountains and Yosemite National Park are.

    Yet on world maps that hang every day in the classrooms, Israel is missing. Upstairs in Al-Qalam girls school, the word is blackened out with marker, with "Palestine" written in its place.

    Officials at the two schools defended the maps, pointing out that some of the students are refugees from Palestine and want their heritage represented.

    The schools, they said, have no anti-Israeli policy, or any policy teaching students to be disrespectful of others, saying Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. If teachers are slipping opinions into lessons, they say, it is because they lack proper qualifications. The average salary at Muslim schools across the country is about $16,000.

    In a history class at Al-Qalam, Jill Fawzy teaches events from the Revolutionary War to the Civil War. But even before Sept. 11, a major topic of conversation had been what Muslims consider the U.S. government's unfair treatment of Muslims abroad, particularly in the West Bank and Iraq. Given their distrust of U.S. policy, some students question the government's claim that bin Laden is responsible for the terrorist attacks -- disputing that videotapes actually show him taking credit.

    Fawzy, a 19-year-old who will graduate from George Mason University in 2003, said she isn't so sure and wonders whether the United States just needed someone to blame and picked a Muslim.

    "A lot of the students can't make up their minds if he is a good guy or a bad guy," Fawzy said. "There are some Muslims who think he did it and others who don't. The thing is, we don't have any real proof either way. I think a lot of people feel this way."

    Rigid Strain of Islam

    With two lavish campuses in suburban Virginia, dozens of highly qualified teachers and accreditation from two respected organizations, the Islamic Saudi Academy stands out among Muslim schools in the Washington area.

    The academy educates the children of Arabic-speaking diplomats along with other children of differing heritages -- about 1,300 students altogether. But the financial support from the Saudi government brings with it a curriculum that reflects the particularly rigid strain of Islam practiced there, Muslim educators say.

    "One of the things the community has been concerned about for years is the Saudi influence and Saudi money," said Amir Hussain, a California professor who has researched Muslim communities in North America. "You have people who come in and say, 'Hey, I'll build you a school.' Then people begin to realize, if that school gets built with Saudi money, do we want that kind of curriculum?' "

    The Islamic Saudi Academy does not require that U.S. history or government be taught, offering Arabic social studies as an alternative. Officials there said that only Saudis who intend to return home do not take U.S. history, though a handful of U.S.-born students who plan to stay in this country said they opted against it, too.

    School officials would not allow reporters to attend classes. But a number of students described the classroom instruction and provided copies of textbooks.

    Ali Al-Ahmed, whose Virginia-based Saudi Institute promotes religious tolerance in Saudi Arabia, has reviewed numerous textbooks used at the academy and said many passages promote hatred of non-Muslims and Shiite Muslims.

    The 11th-grade textbook, for example, says one sign of the Day of Judgment will be that Muslims will fight and kill Jews, who will hide behind trees that say: "Oh Muslim, Oh servant of God, here is a Jew hiding behind me. Come here and kill him."

    Several students of different ages, all of whom asked not to be identified, said that in Islamic studies, they are taught that it is better to shun and even to dislike Christians, Jews and Shiite Muslims.

    Some teachers "focus more on hatred," said one teenager, who recited by memory the signs of the coming of the Day of Judgment. "They teach students that whatever is kuffar [non-Muslim], it is okay for you" to hurt or steal from that person.

    Other teachers present more tolerant views, students said. Usama Amer, a veteran math teacher, is popular not only for his math skills but also for regularly allowing students free debate about topics within Islam.

    "We do not teach hatred," Amer said.

    None of the academy's officials would publicly address the students' statements. One, who spoke anonymously, said he had no knowledge of intolerant passages being assigned or intolerant views being taught. He said textbooks with such passages would be replaced soon.

    Mont Bush, of the Secondary and Middle School Commission of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, one of the academy's accrediting agencies, said that the organization does not delve into curriculum extensively but that it would be "concerned" about such material being taught.

    The schools are legally allowed to teach whatever they want -- as long as they meet state requirements -- but have a responsibility to be accurate, scholars say.

    "As a matter of educational policy, no, it's not a good idea to cross a nation off the map or to in any way misrepresent history," said Charles Haynes, of the First Amendment Center in Arlington. "It is a civic responsibility of all schools, religious and secular, to do the best job of educating students to a variety of perspectives."

    That should be particularly true for Muslim schools, where many of the students are unfamiliar and uncomfortable with U.S. institutions, said Fawaz A. Gerges, a professor at Sarah Lawrence College and author of "America and Political Islam: Clash of Cultures or Clash of Interests?"

    "One would hope that Muslim day schools serve as a bridge that enable young men and women to make the journey into the safe harbor of open society," he said.

    © 2002 The Washington Post Company

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61834-2002Feb24.html
     
  2. gr8-1

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    Absolutely disgusting.
     
  3. moomoo

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    To me it seems to be more about the state of Islamic school curricula in America, and simply states the fact that, pre-9/11, they've been critical of American values. There's nothing wrong with questioning our actions, especially when it comes to the issue of the Middle East, particularly Israel. The article states that in the aftermath of 9/11, they have to change their approach and start looking at the positive aspects of America. There's nothing wrong with turning a critical eye on America and questioning our actions--we do it all the time, it's what a democracy is all about. But if they do continue to preach simple hate for America and Jews or anyone else, and rejoice at the misfortunes of said groups, then yeah, it becomes disgusting, no better than the Klan.
     
  4. treeman

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    I don't think it can be reduced to a simple "They're critical of American values"...

    They're preaching violence against infidels. That is outrageous, and hardly falls in the category of "turning a critical eye on America and questioning our actions".
     
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    I think pre-9/11, they could get away with it, it could be dismissed as just that, being critical of American values. Post 9/11? I don't think so. They should clean up their act.
     
  6. Manny Ramirez

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    I am confused.....how do you "write out" differential equations before you have calculus??? Calculus is a prerequisite for D.E. I guess that means that derivatives and integrals were taught in trigonometry or college algebra....lol

    Not picking on you, treeman, but the author of this article.

    :confused:
     
  7. treeman

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    I don't think the point of the article was a discusson of mathematics, Manny...

    picky b*stard... ;)
     
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    I look at stuff like this...

    and I look at people like Saddam Hussein...

    and this is what I see -- (I'd be intrested in your response to this, treeman, if it elicits any from you)


    Islamic hate and the murderous evil Arab states... it seems to me that perhaps these things should remind us as westerners how it wasn't that long ago that 'we' as the forbearers of European culture and Christian society are really not that far removed from these sort of things.

    80 years ago, for instance, I think you could transpose these things, to some degree, to Christian parocial schools, and the rise of the Nazi party. It seems to me that, while it seems that these sorts of things seem completely foreign and unfathomable to the people of the US, if we are not dilligant in stamping out the roots of these things, it is not unfathomable that we would revert to such ideologies in, say, 150 to 200 years.

    The freedom and openness of the west, despite impressions, is still in its infancy. I could very easily see a future where we all revert to these hatreds, which seem to be an earmark of human history.

    That's my first impression, anyway.
     
  9. treeman

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    Ottomaton:

    Actually, I think that we're pretty safe against reversion to such modes of thinking for a couple of reasons:

    1) modern communications have brought us together with other cultures in ways that have never happened before, and have increased our understanding of (and tolerance for) other cultural viewpoints to a degree that is unheard of in human history, and

    2) information transfer technologies have educated the populace to a degree also unheard of in human history; access to information - free and legitemate information - is the single best tool there is in combating such modes of thinking, as a significant degree of ignorance (or brainwashing) is required to produce hatred

    These are two developments that have no real parallels in history, and they are not likely to disappear - only be enhanced.

    The Islamic world, for the most part, is just being introduced to these technologies, as well as Western patterns of thought. I think much of the problem is that they cannot seem to figure out how to embrace either the technologies or new patterns of thought, and are rebelling against what they see as an invasion...

    Hopefully they will catch up. If they don't, then we will have perpetual conflict until one side or the other is erased.

    I've mentioned this here before, but a good book that touches on this is Jihad vs. McWorld: How Globalism and Tribalism Are Reshaping the World , by Benjamin R. Barber and Andrea Schulz.
     
  10. Princess

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    I know this is not the point of the article, but I have to disagree with this one. While private schools have beeter funding and therefore resources and teachers, they do not protect kids from this. Maybe it's better at lower levels but I had many friends at Strake Jesuit and Saint Agnes here in Houston and those were for the most part, the worst group of people I knew. They were getting stoned and drunk and arrested long before my friends in public school were. There's evidently a large lesbian population at St. Agnes as well. But I knew a few good kids there, so it's not all bad.

    As for the rest of the article, I think it's important that we remember not all schools are teaching this, so we should not lash out to the Muslim community as a whole. Regulation is needed yes, but more hatred from the US is not. Not all Muslims teach hate or learn to hate. We need to not attack the people or religion as a whole.

    It is very common today to find maps in the Middle East that do not have Israel on them. Those countries do not recognize it as a state. It was just kind of created one day, like Iraq and Saudi and Jordan all were at one time as well. Not all Americans like us siding with Israel and some probably do not recognize it as a state either, so why should we hold Muslims to a different standard?

    And for the record, my Islamic professor is probably one of the best I have ever had. She is the most well-educated, knowledgable, objective person I have ever met. Her one downfall is here bias of Saudi Arabia, but that's her home. I would be biased of the US if I lived in Saudi as well.
     
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    I hate going against you, and I'm not totally, but there's some things that need to be thought about, IMO.

    The Islamic world is relatively new to Western ideas and technology. However, Britian and France have had their noses in that land since the 1800's. Until then, they had been the leaders of the world. They knew it all. They had the technology.

    The Europeans came in and changed everything. They tore apart countries and peoples. When the Middle East was being taken away, they saw that the Europeans were superior and they did what they could to emulate them. They wanted to be modern though, not western and they did not know the difference between the two. They made governments like England. They set up armies like England. Nothing worked. Instead, they needed to maintain their identities and modernize the country. By this point though, it was too late.

    It's no wonder the US is hated. While we are not doing what Europe did over 100 years ago, they don't know that. At the time, they at least had strong governments going into British imperialism. Now, they don't even have that for the most part.

    I do think we have a role and a job in the Middle East. They really need help. They have been left far behind.
     
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    I know several people attending SAA and another that will enroll next fall, so the lesbian angle is news to me. I might ask about that to see if they agree with your viewpoint.


    Mango
     
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    I'm not saying they are all like that by any means. I had friends there and at Strake that talked about it. Maybe they were just more vocal about it. I know quite a few very nice, sweet straight girls who go there. I've never actually met the lesbians (that I know of) :eek:
     
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    Princess:

    First post -

    I do not think that we should attack the religion or the people in general either, but I definitely do not think that we should tolerate this sort of crap - especially on our own soil.

    Any school that is teaching this garbage should be shut down. Hell, any Christian school that is teaching comparable garbage should be shut down. Don't be so tolerant that you won't see someone trying to stab you in the back.

    The Saudis, in particular, have been exporting these ideas for a while now. You know those Taliban guys we just got finished beating up? They got their education in Pakistani madrassas. You know who paid for and set up those madrasas? The Saudi govt. They've set up madrasas all over the world... I find it highly disturbing that they're trying to export that crap here.

    They don't understand the difference because their leaders are telling them that there is no difference. According to their news reports (all state-generated), the Zionists and the Imperialists (us) are collectively trying to exterminate them and take their lands. Get their governments to stop spouting anti-US/Israel propaganda, and they might not think this anymore.

    And they have weak governments/societies because they're basically stuck with medieval modes of thinking. They still think that feudalism is the way to go, women are property, religious law is supreme, the individual is irrelevant, the Crusades are still going on, etc. Until they move into at least the 18th century in terms of rationalism and liberalism, they're stuck.

    BTW, the Ottomans had a powerful government. Aside from the Ottoman Empire, the states in existence today have never had their own "strong governments" - at least, not since biblical times. Without the Ottomans, they have just been a collection of tribes, constantly warring with each other and jockeying for dominance.

    "Job"? Hell, until we get off our oil dependency, our only "job" there is to protect the oil supplies.

    I am all for helping them out wherever we can (helping them to modernize their and economies, liberalize their political systems, alleviate their inherent poverty, etc), but not until they become less hostile towards us. You did see that poll Gallup released the other day, right? They don't like us. They want us dead. Until that sentiment changes, I don't want to help them at all - I'd prefer granting their wish and getting the hell out of there, and leaving them to wallow in their misery.

    Their social systems and modes of thought are stuck in the 12th century. We cannot change that for them. That is up to them - we can't help them there.

    That is what this article is really about.
     
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    treeman-

    agreed :)
     

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