What If We Kicked All Illegal Aliens Out of the US...

These posts from mr. ilovestrippers certainly sound familiar.

 

I'm all for changes in the law.

But I'm thinking GIVEN THE STATE OF THE LAW THE WAY IT IS NOW...if any one of us were faced with raising our kids in a 3rd world nation...where clean water is an issue...in awful conditions. Where coming in legally means having to put down money with an immigration attorney that is far beyond reach...

That we wouldn't hesitate to break this law that is so selectively enforced.

I can promise you that if the standards of immigration law today were applicable when the ancestors of most of us 4 generations back or so came to this country, we'd be calling someplace else home today.

As I said...I'm all for changes in the current law. But law is not greater than human beings. Laws exist to serve humanity...not the other way around. If it's going to wreck our economy, then change the law. If it's unjust or inhumane, then change the law. If it goes against the very spirit upon which this country was built, then change the law.

I love how we categorize these folks as drags. I know children of illegal immigrants who have since become citizens...who are smart and industrious and the kind of people I want having influence on my culture.

 

Obama on Immigration

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5878193.html

July 8, 2008, 11:29PM
Obama, McCain address Hispanics
Dem emphasizes immigration reform; Republican stresses securing borders


By BENNETT ROTH
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau



RESOURCES
From Barack Obama's speech
From John McCain's speech
More politics news and discussion WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama on Tuesday promised Hispanic activists that he would make comprehensive immigration reform a priority in his first term and slammed his GOP rival, John McCain, for backing away from the hot-button issue.

"We need a president who isn't going to walk away from something as important as comprehensive immigration reform when it becomes politically unpopular," Obama told the League of United Latin American Citizens.

The Illinois Democrat spoke bluntly about the immigration issue. The Arizona Republican's address was largely devoted to economic policy and only briefly touched on immigration.

Unlike Obama, McCain was not specific on a timetable to bring up the reform measure. Instead, he said "we must first prove to (Americans) that we can and will secure our borders first, while respecting the dignity and rights of citizens and legal residents of the United States."


Different challenges
Both candidates also have their work cut out for them in winning over Latino voters. McCain has sought to counter an anti-Republican tide among Hispanics, angry over the incendiary rhetoric of some in his party toward illegal immigrants and recent raids by the federal government on businesses that hire illegal workers.

Obama has a different challenge: winning the support of the vast majority of Hispanic Democrats, who favored his primary opponent Hillary Clinton. "Some (Clinton supporters) may not be there, at this point," said Rep. Charlie Gonzalez, D-San Antonio.

Obama sought to reach out to Hispanics in a speech laced with references to his fighting for minorities on issues such as health care, education and civil rights. His sharpest remarks were on the failed immigration measure, which would have created temporary worker programs for illegal immigrants and provided a path to citizenship for many of the 12 million undocumented immigrants in the country.

The Democratic contender said he admired McCain for initially bucking his party and sponsoring the immigration measure, but added the GOP candidate "abandoned his courageous stance" when he sought his party's nomination.

Obama said he would make immigration "a top priority in my first year as president." His goal, he said, was to get such a measure passed by the end of his first four-year term.

The McCain campaign accused Obama of exaggerating his role in trying to get comprehensive immigration reform passed in the Senate.

"Sen. Obama was consistently and absolutely AWOL and nowhere to be seen in any meeting we held on this issue. It is absurd for him to take credit on this issue," said Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, a Republican lawmaker from South Florida.

McCain's speech was largely a repeat of previous addresses on the economy. It was only at the end of his speech that he addressed his ties to the Hispanic community, noting that he has represented Arizona where he said, "Spanish was spoken before English was." He noted the large number of Hispanics who had fought in U.S. wars.

While McCain drew polite response, Obama elicited loud applause and cheers.


Clinton backer swayed
Joe Perales, a math teacher from Webster said he had supported Hillary Clinton in the Texas primary because he believed she was more moderate.

But Perales said he noted that Obama had lately been emulating Clinton and moving toward the middle.

"I am more likely to vote for him today than a month ago," he said. Perales said his family is split politically, with two brothers who served in the Marines in Iraq supporting McCain and his two sisters backing Obama.

 

To RHester:

Bravo man, one of the brightest and best-thought-out messages I have seen from anyone anywhere on this subject.

Write your congressman and your senator, and tell them what you said here.

 

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Thanks

 

awesome!

 

Love people

work to solve the root problems

be flexible, kind and just

 

When it comes to immigration, I'm all for it. It just needs to be controlled.

I can very well see both sides of the argument. Some illegals are a drain on the economy because of free healthcare, etc. But at the same time, these are people who (I believe for the most part) are hard working people who do jobs for a low pay. This country needs to be able to keep these wages low.

Some illegals are upset because they get paid minimum wage or things like that. Sorry, when I was working those jobs I got paid the same. Its not about what color a person is when it comes to picking fruit, or roofing. I'm a "white" guy who worked fast food, roofing, cut grass, custodial, etc. And the most I ever made was 6 bucks an hour. You have to get an education to do otherwise. Either that, or put in tons of time.

So people cant say its a good thing or have them here, or a bad thing. There will always be a divide because everything has pros and cons.

My deal is, dont we have better things to deal with? Like the falling dollar, a war, etc. I dont care if people are coming to the country. They spend money, and do work, its exactly what we all do. We were just born in different places.

I would however like them to learn some darn english!!! And dont get mad at me when I cant understand you! Yeah, Texas was Mexicos first, but Mexico was also the indians first...and I dont feel like speaking indian either!!! So a lot of the tidbit arguments like white people wont work this, texas was mexico's, you're eating the food we picked, is irrelevant.

All people need to do is work, spend, and not cause too much trouble. A lot of illegals do this. Alot dont. I think if the laws were tighter, and the border stronger, we could eventually not let in the bad seeds...and thats all we really need to do.

PS - Sorry, I tend to ramble.

 

So are all the American citizens in Iraq illegal immigrants or legal visitors?

 

Well, I doubt many of them intend to stay one minute longer than they are required to..

And besides, since they are BUILDING schools and hospitals and upgrading infrastructure, I doubt the Americans are causing a damaging drain on Iraq's economy.

 

unfortunately for us they're cheap labor

*rimshot*

 

Its not like we can stop it, why waste our efforts trying. It is just like the war on drugs and terror. It is a waste of resources.

 

interesting, I posted a thread about immigration officials only locking up workers and not going after owners (there were some good reasons) but it reminded me of the argument from the movie "traffic" about the war on drugs. we are only looking at one side of the issue which is supply. as long as there is demand, people will find a way. same with drugs, its just too much money for people not to take chances.

 

I had a really nice little fish pond out my dining room window. Over the 4th while I was out of town a frog came and laid it's eggs in it. 10,0000 tadpoles were born into my 50 gallon pond. By the time I got home all my fish and half the tadpoles were dead from oxygen depletion.

The nation and the planet have a carrying capacity, when you exceed it your quality of life goes spiraling down.

Apparently, The Pope doesn't see it that way.

 

Vapid and uninteresting diatribes are common on the interweb and in chain mails.

 

thats exactly what the illegal immigrants are doing here.. RACIST?

 

there would be some adjustments and some businesses may be forced to close, but I tend to think people overexaggerate the overall effect and they especially seem to ignore the long run but rather focus on the short run.

that being said, enforce the laws and stop the the inflow of illegals. Of course, most the the current illegals who've been in the US a while would not be shipped out for a variety of reasons...which btw, I laugh at the 12 million figure, i'm sure it a lot more than that.

 

Umm, no.. STUPID?

I didn't realize the Mexican government was financing our infrastructure upgrades, and paying to build new schools and hospitals here..