Obama: Mental Distress Can't Justify Late Abortion

you are not arguing you are telling me some examples of people who agree with you. That means nothing. thus you don't get a response from me.

 

lolz.

Rationalize much?

You sure do make a lot of assumptions out of one simple statement of fact.


Abstinence is a personal choice. What kids are taught in schools has little to do with the choices they make. They listen to their peers 1000 times more than some teacher.

Its Society stupid!

 

you want to revise that or you want me to get the numbers for you?

 

I don't remember doing that.

Smoke some more hash hippie, your short term memory is almost gone! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111


YEEEEEEEEHAW HANG ALL THEM DUMBOCRATZ AND PASS THE BBQ SAWSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

oh right you just started responding to posts that were not directed at you.

 

Yes, its a new concept in the D&D from what I understand.

I just got bored awaiting any substantial rebuttal from you as to what I said in my initial post.

You commenting on a woman's point of view is also laughable.

This is (mostly) a woman's issue, and women are... *gasp* emotional and make decisions based on feelings.

Go back in your van. Smoke some more weed. Contemplate.

Respond.

Try harder next time Cheech.

 

Max:

Did you get from the article that he was suggesting he would not accept further restrictions on abortion unless the health of the mom was protected....or that he was looking to narrow the 'health of the mom' rational as it currently stands?

(I'm thinking the former -- but he's phrasing to appeal to his audience)

 

i can't even tell what caseyh is arguing for....... mental health, anti-abortion, pro-abortion.......kidneys

 

If you are equating depression with kidney failure then there is no hope of having a reasoned discussion with you. Depression = the failure of a vital organ? You are a riot.

Perhaps YOU should read the psychological studies that have been done on the long term effects of an abortion on the mental health of the woman. Pick up the literature handed out by Planned Parenthood on the subject. It is a real phenomenon.

The bottom line here Casey, is that for some reason, this is very personal to you. Being a complete ass does not help you make your point though. Maybe one day you'll learn.

 

42,480 people died from nephritis, nephrotic
syndrome, and nephrosis in 2004
http://www.scdhec.net/hs/epidata/kidney/FACTckd06.pdf

Suicide is a major, preventable public health problem. In 2004, it was the eleventh leading cause of death in the U.S., accounting for 32,439 deaths
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention.shtml

 

So we should allow late term abortions because somebody says they are depressed? The idea here is that using that as a rule will be a slippery slope which is just as good as not having any late term abortion laws at all. Nobody outside of NARAL thinks that is a good idea.

 

But depression in many cases is the failure of a vital organ. Unless that is you don't consider the brain to be a vital organ or suicide to be a failure?

I can't imagine that anyone doubts that some (maybe many, many most, I don't honestly know) women severely regret the decision to abort a fetus. What CaseyH is saying though is that giving birth can also lead to severe mental imbalance. Is one more common and/or more serious than the other? I don't know. It just seems like both you/moe/fb and casey are arguing crosswise, both asserting feelings and issues of one stance without addressing feelings of the other stance.

 

care to explain your argument about why at the 3rd month (or 6th or whatever) there is some line crossed where killing the baby should be illegal?

What line is crossed (and when) and why is it now morally wrong?

 

The USSC actually addresses this very issue in Roe v. Wade and its progeny. I recommend that you read them.

I believe that it comes down also to the fact that during the second trimester, instead of being a mass of cells, the fetus actually starts having human features. It is one thing to take a mass of cells out of the mother. It is something very different to see little fingers, organs, etc.

 

Well...I reread the article/editorial. If Obama is really setting himself apart from other abortion rights proponents, it's interesting that NARAL, which endorses Obama, supports his statements.

The dissenting view comes from a representative from Right to Life. I'm guessing they worked the phones pretty hard trying to get a Right to Choose rep to be outraged by Obama's apparent departure from their views. But no luck.

So under Obama -- "health of the mom" stays. Possibly better defined - but I think most are OK with that. (they'll just quibble over the definition).

 

As one familiar with the other side of that conclusion, I'll never agree. I still grieve. It was a 50-50 choice to conceive. You may believe in the theory, "He was only poking fun, but she took him serious," but I don't. A father has responsibilities and rights before and after birth.

 

The problem with your argument is one of history. Historically (and continuing), there are scores of "fathers" who deposit their genetic material and take off. They never support the kid, and it is the mother who is saddled financially and emotionally with the offspring. If deadbeat and absent fathers were not such a problem, I believe that your point of view would have more practical and political traction.

 

A father has responsibilities and rights before and after birth.

I can't speak for others, only me. I begged and pleaded to take the baby full term so that I could assume all rights and she would never have been involved again if she didn't want to be. That was more than 30 years ago and I still feel the same.

Just because an able portion of society chooses to live off welfare rather than work, would you eliminate welfare because there is an historical precedent for loafers? It's a strained comparison, i realize, but it's the Fourth and I'm too lazy to think of a better one.

 

They both make a choice at conception
So . . IMO . .they both should have their 'golden parachutes' cut at the end fo the first trimester

If she can say .. I DON'T WANT IT until then
THEN SO SHOULD HE
Basically. . he should be able to file a paper with a court relinquishing all rights/priviledges/responsibilities for the child up until then
It is a MALE ABORTION

Then she can make an INFORMED decision to go on or not

SEE THEN EVERYONE HAS A CHOICE

well . .except the baby . . but ***** him he ain't human yet

Rocket River
. .. If you want a voice. .you better be able to make a sound . .that we can hear without ultrasound or a stethescope