I've read and heard several times that Obama's proposed healthcare plan would cover all illegal immigrants in the US. Is this true? If so, do you agree or disagree with that facet and why?
a healthcare plan would reduce overall healthcare costs. ER is crazy expensive. and that is where people without healthcare go for illnesses. preventive treatments are much much cheaper. thus if you want to reduce costs, to not cover those who are undocumented would not necessarily help. at the end of the day, people who are undocumented and go to the ER will be treated and they will likely not have the money to pay for it. thus we will all subsidize that anyway. but at the end of the day for me its a being civilized thing. a civilized society provides basic needs of everyone living in it. and healthcare is a basic need.
If they're undocumented, I don't think they have the rights to any national plan. They're already using up services and not paying any taxes. Another attempt to cater to the minority. How about catering to the majority who vote and pay taxes? Unreal.
You should probably look at what Obama's plan actually is before starting half-baked rants based on what someone has "read and heard several times."
what is the likelihood that his plan will be implemented in the current form? once congress is given the task of writing it up, how bastardized will it become? another question. with this being such a big task, why has congress not acted in the present on this? is it because bush would veto any comprehensive type plan?
• In a 2003 forum on health care, Mr. Obama said he supported the children of illegal aliens' receiving the same benefits as citizens, "whether it's medical, whether it's in-state tuition." Asked specifically whether he included "undocumented" people, Mr. Obama replied, "Absolutely." But in a CNN debate Jan. 21, when Mr. Obama was asked whether his health care proposal covers illegal aliens, he said "no" and that he first wants to cover the U.S. citizens and legal residents without health care. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/feb/01/obama-04-at-odds-with-obama-08/?page=2 LAUER: And, and you lay it out there with some pretty catchy words. Obama, here's from the book, quote, "Obama would take the country sharply, suddenly, and dangerously to the far left. He'd raise taxes immediately and substantially." And you go on to say that, voters have missed, quote, "the dangerously radical substance that lies behind his attractive rhetoric." MORRIS: Sure, well the most significant of the changes that we talk about here is in health care. You know if you raise taxes you can always lower them when they get, get out of office. But the health care stuff is irreversible. When he speaks of 47 million uninsured Americans, he's including 12 million illegal immigrants. And the bulk of his subsidy, the bulk of the increased utilization of health care would be those who are here illegally. LAUER: I guess but what, "dangerously radical," "suddenly dangerous." Are you trying to scare people here? I mean is this? Go ahead. MORRIS: What I'm trying to do is to get them to focus on the reality as opposed to the positive or negative hype. But let me explain why it is dangerous. The point is that if you increase utilization of the health care system by bringing those people in, then you and I are gonna be subject to rationing in health care. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2008/06/24/matt-lauer-bugged-anti-obama-fearmongering
he vetoed giving healthcare to kids who have parents that aren't destitute... and for the 13024743th time. undocumented workers pay all the taxes you do except federal income tax. and since they are likely poor...they wouldn't be paying much. in fact if they have kids it is entirely likely that they'd get most of that back. many pay social security to fake accounts meaning they pay and dont get it. others obviously will not get social security. they pay all other taxes.
Thanks for the link. I have not had a chance to read it in depth. What I did see was requiring all employers to contribute. As somebody who just sold his small business, I can tell you that such a requirement will destroy many small family businesses.
Illegals pay all taxes except federal income tax. I guess that makes it all better. Geez. So glad that they contribute to everything except the fund that pays for roads, infrastructure, federal employee salaries, defense, etc etc...oh...and whatever taxes will be levied to pay for the healthcare system. So if they don't pay in, they shouldn't take. It does not say anywhere in the Constitution that we should shoulder the load of caring for the world's sick.
You are caring for the world's sick when they go to the ER and aren't able to pay. We are already picking up this tab.
Actually that is why many ERs will no longer see you if you have no insurance. St. Luke's ER would not see me until they verified my insurance. I sat there for 2 hours while they wrangled with my insurance co. All this time, the nosebleed I went there for was still ongoing. After they verified the insurance, they coterized the wound and charged me another $300. Also, there are ERs that are closing their doors to anything non life threatening. And then there are the ERs whose hospitals are going bankrupt and closing. There was one a couple of years ago in Ft Worth that the name escapes me.
i would imagine that many if not most undocumented workers wouldn't be in more than the 10% bracket after std/personal exemptions. thus illustrating that this notion that they dont pay taxes isn't at all accurate. they simply do not pay income tax. which for those that are less fortunate isn't that big since income tax, particularly federal, is progressive unlike the other taxes, which they pay a disproportional amount given their income level. i was clarifying the record. oh and corporations are persons too right, yet have really low taxes too. why don't you take your anger out at them?
Actually major corporations here pay roughly 40% tax on their profits: a rate higher than most other countries in the world.
Perhaps one of you will catch a communicable disease from an immigrant that could have been contained by getting proper medical attention
How is it dangerous -- or any more dangerous -- when you're implicitly admitting there isn't enough healthcare to go around? Doesn't that mean that it's already dangerous, it's just that you don't care about the 12 million illegal immigrants? The quote really crystallizes the dehumanizing attitude around this subject. "Those people." "You and I."
