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Fallout from the TJ Ford trade: Augustin slips, Rockets trade up and take him

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cardpire, Jun 25, 2008.

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  1. rwienert

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    I don't think Augustin will cut it in the NBA. He's small, doesn't jump well, and will be overmatched physically almost every night he plays.

    If you watch the Texas game against Memphis in the tournament, he was getting killed the whole game. His solution was to start jacking up one footed fade away jumpers. Not a good move.

    If he's still there at 25, maybe, but I wouldn't give anything up to move up for him.
     
    #21 rwienert, Jun 25, 2008
  2. Mattj

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    IMHO Augustin's upside is similar to Jameer Nelson, but I'm not convinced that he is a lock to be a better player than Aaron Brooks. If there's one thing that I can guarentee, it's that the Rockets will not take another midget guard.
     
    #22 Mattj, Jun 25, 2008
  3. Mango

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    I am predictable.

    Once I get involved in a thread.............I want to see how much Game a thread starter and/or a poster that is fairly active in the thread has.

    That is excellent.



    I did contribute to the thread by asking for more details on how your proposals would work and by pointing out what was incorrect. I contributed an opposing viewpoint which you apparently don't want in this thread. The last time I checked my queries were still unanswered.

    You did have some reasonable details already planned to support you idea on the feasibility - possibility of moving up to get Augustin? If you are just Throwing it Against the Wall to see if it sticks and really can't provide details, then just say so.
     
    #23 Mango, Jun 25, 2008
  4. steddinotayto

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    Hey Mattj since I just came up with this idea in another thread, I'll pimp it on you so you can ask your listeners :D

    Joel Pryzbilla and #13

    for

    Bobby Jackson and a future 1st Rounder (maybe even this year's 2nd rounder)

    This addresses our need for a back up center under 35 years of age, we could draft a solid 2 guard at #13 and take the best available player at #25 (Douglas-Roberts? Hibbert?). I mean, logically, it works for Portland. Granted, they're not gonna get back a Barbosa or what not but this gives them an expiring contract, they get rid of Pryzbilla's contract, AND they get draft picks out of this. GENIUS! hahaha jk
     
    #24 steddinotayto, Jun 25, 2008
  5. BrooksBall

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    I think Augustin will be a bust.

    Brooks is already better than him.
     
    #25 BrooksBall, Jun 25, 2008
  6. Clutch

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    The fallout from the trade could be bad, in my opinion. I think Indiana isn't tied now to a point guard, and they may take Brandon Rush.
     
    #26 Clutch, Jun 25, 2008
  7. CriscoKidd

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    I don't think Augustin is an upgrade to our pg platoon.

    I'd be alright taking him, but I wouldn't come away feeling stoked or anything.

    Oh, and Mango is right. Resistance is futile.
     
    #27 CriscoKidd, Jun 25, 2008
  8. CriscoKidd

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    Yup. And don't they need a shooting guard? I really can't think of any sgs worth a crap on their team.
     
    #28 CriscoKidd, Jun 25, 2008
  9. khimmatramka16

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    Augustin has a 35'' vertical, and a 6' 4'' wingspan. He ran the 3/4 court sprint in 3.08 seconds... the only two point guards faster were Derrick Rose and Brian Roberts who ran it in 3.05.

    All this is on DraftExpress.

    He also has never had off court problems, is a HUGE leader, plays like Steve Nash, and is an Academic All American.

    He seem's like a pretty solid guy to me
     
    #29 khimmatramka16, Jun 25, 2008
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    correct me if im wrong but the SG is Mike Dunleavy with Kareem Rush. SF is Danny Granger. Unless they play SF and PF respectively.
     
    #30 bbjai, Jun 25, 2008
  11. saleem

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    It's possible this may help his overall standing,but one can hardly expect him to fall all the way down to 25.
     
    #31 saleem, Jun 25, 2008
  12. Mattj

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    I just can't envision a scenario where Rush drops to 25. CDR is a best case scenario. In all honestly, I'm not expecting much splash from the Rockets. I know I am in the minority, but I don't think they need to find a contributor in this draft. They have enough if Yao and T-Mac are healthy next season. I think the most probable scenario is either a trade out of the 1st round or a draft and stash Euro.

    On another topic, if you are the Portland Trailblazers, why would you not make a run at Chauncey Billups? You have expiring contracts (Lafrentz and/or Darius Miles), young talent to move (Outlaw, Webster, Fernandez, Jack) and draft picks (#13, #27). If you are both teams do you take Chauncey for Fernandez, Outlaw, Jack, Lafrentz and #13?

    Portland now has a starting 5 of Billups, Roy, Webster, Aldridge, and Oden with Rodriguez, Jones, Frye, and Pryzbilla to back them up. They would also still have a crap load of cap room in 2009 or 2010.

    Detroit would then have Stuckey, Rip, Prince, Sheed, and McDyess with a young energetic bench(Fernandez, Outlaw, Jack, Maxiell, Johnson). Detroit would also get Lafrentz off the books after 2009 and still have a good pick at #13.

    I just think it makes a ton of sense for both teams. Portland in particular is really in position to turn themselves into a juggernaut with Paul Allen's deep pockets.
     
    #32 Mattj, Jun 25, 2008
  13. cardpire

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    if you were presented with the choice between Brooks and Augustin, I'm guessing you take DJ without any hesitation. and if this were to actually transpire, i'd think Brooks would be a lock to be included. you made it sound like we have a long history of failure "midget" guards. can't really think of many in this franchise's history, other than brooks and HOF'er Calvin Murphy. And, since Morey had no problem reaching for Brooks 10-20 spots higher than he was projected last year, it's safe to assume that the size of the dog in the fight is not much of a worry for him.

    i expect the rockets to be competitive, and not having a much higher (better) pick than our current spot, for the foreseeable future, and I'd imagine the rockets feel the same way. Whatever side of the Rafer fence you are currently on, i think most if not all of us would agree that the future of our pg spot is questionable, to say the least, and it has to be addressed at some point. if DJ were to slip to the 14-16 range (some of you think there's no chance, some think he'll be a bust anyway), i think the opportunity to snag a potential franchise pg via draft within the next 3-5 years would never be better, and never be cheaper for us. and it's not that devastating if a player busts from the 15 slot.

    as for what i think would fetch him, i don't think some combo of our draft picks, brooks, and head is unreasonable for a team to move down 9 or 10 spots from the middle of what is considered a really weak and thin draft.
     
    #33 cardpire, Jun 25, 2008
  14. hooroo

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    Miles was waived.
     
    #34 hooroo, Jun 25, 2008
  15. steddinotayto

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    Yea, that does make sense. I wish we had Uncle Allen's money.
     
    #35 steddinotayto, Jun 25, 2008
  16. Clutch

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    I'd say zero chance that Rush slides to #25. But I think #11 is too high for a Rockets trade-up, so if Rush goes there I think any possible pursuit of him is over. I'm focused on #13 specifically.

    I agree with you 100% on Portland ... I think Pritchard with Allen's money is just a scary combo.
     
    #36 Clutch, Jun 25, 2008
  17. jopatmc

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    I actually prefer both Mario Chalmers and George Hill to Augustine on this current Rox team.
     
    #37 jopatmc, Jun 25, 2008
  18. Laozi

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    I'm not sure where the whole, potential franchise point guard thing came from. To me Augustine is like a combination of T.J. Ford and Jameer Nelson, too small to really finish inside so most teams are going to play the pass on penetration, not consistent enough from the outside to pack any real punch there.

    I do think Augustine, at worse, will be an above average back up, but its difficult to project him as a clear starter
     
    #38 Laozi, Jun 25, 2008
  19. khimmatramka16

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    #39 khimmatramka16, Jun 25, 2008
  20. hooroo

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    So should the NBA introduce some sort of cap involving buying draft picks? Thought I might have read Cuban touch on that subject last year.
     
    #40 hooroo, Jun 25, 2008
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