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Do we really need to kill people over pot?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by GladiatoRowdy, Jun 20, 2008.

  1. cagey veteran

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    For the love of God, let's legalize the sweet delicious, intoxicating herb....
     
  2. thumbs

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    Quo est demonstratum. (Thus, it is proved.) :D
     
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  3. across110thstreet

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    dude, just move to California and get a prescription. it's out in the open and no one (including cops) dont care.

    there are shops in every neighborhood, on an Amsterdam-like scale....

    its legal in West Hollywood to walk around the streets smoking, and in all of California it is a msdemeanor to carry less than a gram (in texas you would be jailed and on probation for a year with community service)
     
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    Penn & Teller's: Bulls... hit episode on the War on Drugs. Most of you seem pretty much against government waste already, but if you haven't seen the case against this multi-BILLION dollar waste, now's a good time to educate yourself. There is lots of NSFW language, so beware. I love these guys.

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  5. cagey veteran

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    While were at it, let's legalize cocaine and prostitution. Ah, the times I have had with cocaine and prostitutes. What a glorious life I have led.... :p
     
  6. JD2010

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    legalize!
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    I know you are making a sarcastic joke, but there are plenty of good arguments that support regulation of both prostitution and cocaine.

    If cocaine were regulated, crack would go away virtually overnight and most people would ingest it the same way that most people did when it was legal early in the 20th century, as a drink mixture in Coca-Cola and in a wine mixture called Vin Mariani.
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yes, I believe that I proved that my arguments are 180 degrees from the tripe that t_j posts.
     
  9. Shroopy2

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    guaging the responses, can kinda see why you'd provoke. Though you seem to be the only putting any "fun" in it :eek:

    Prostitution would just be the simple term given to what most girls do anyway :p All prostitution would mean is the movie industry would suffer because guys would cut the dinner-and-movie part out getting right to the chase


    Because I'm too lazy to reasearch, if you're reading andymoon, whats keeping government from regulating and making it better for everyone. Is everything just theory and speculation now, that coke would almost disappear?
     
  10. Ehsan

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    Well, some (I think including andymoon) have speculated that mar1juana is not regulated because the best mar1juana is not produced in the most influential countries. It's also not a great way to make profit because if it becomes expensive, people will start growing their own. While with alcohol, I'm not going to start making Absolut Vodka in my backyard.

    I'm not for legalizing prostitution so I don't know about that.
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    The biggest thing keeping the government from regulating is that there are plenty of lobbies with well established ties that help to keep drugs illegal. From the alcohol and pharmaceutical industries to the various law enforcement lobbies, there are a lot of people with a large financial interest in seeing that people keep going to jail for drugs. The for-profit prison industry is the most insidious, IMO, and guarantees that there are businesses out there that will exist purely on the suffering of others.

    I don't believe that cocaine would "almost disappear," but I do think that crack (a product created so that drug dealers would have easily measurable, transportable, and disposable wares) would go away overnight as we could regulate the delivery methods to ensure that cocaine was only available as an "energy drink" like Coca-Cola was originally. People would certainly be able to extract the cocaine to use it in other ways, but that did not happen when it was legal to purchase both powder and mixed drink versions of cocaine. People, by and large, used cocaine responsibly when it was legal prior to 1914.
     
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  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    Most people would not "grow their own" just as most people do not brew their own beer, distill their own spirits, or ferment their own wine despite the ability to do so legally. Most people go to the store and buy beer, wine, and liquor because they don't want to go through the trouble of preparing the alcohol, a time consuming process that most people won't go through.

    The vast majority of people would purchase their pot from the (properly regulated and licensed) store. Certainly, there would still be some people who would grow their own, just like there are people out there who brew their own beer and distill their own spirits. However, in a regulated market, these people would be as inconsequential as "moonshiners" are today.
     
  13. cagey veteran

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    I would totally grow my own weed....
     
  14. WWR

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    If it is illegal, then don't possess it. It's really that simple.

    I am almost 23 years old and I have never had it in my possession nor smoked it.

    If you're possessing weed, and you get tossed in jail, you knew you the risks you were taking. Regardless of what you think, it's illegal. Until then, I will keep taking them into custody for having the ganja with a smile. :cool:
     
  15. cagey veteran

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    That would not surprise me. Police Officers are the lowly grunts of the legal system. They are not paid to think about why they arrest people, they are just expected to know what the laws are and to enforce them. As a whole, they are far from intellectual giants. About the only profession I have less respect for are
    corrections officers.
     
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    After my experiences over the past week, my answer is yes. I'm generally cool with those who use mar1juana until I have to spend an extended amount of time with them. Then I want to kill them myself.
     
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    In Holland they banned tobacco in all public places. The funny thing is, you can still smoke cannabis in Coffee shops as long as it not mixed with tobacco. Only pure mar1juana is allowed :D
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm generally for a certain amount of decriminalization but I think its a little irresponsible to say that if cocaine was legalized it would mostly be used responsibly based on when it was legal. A lot of things have changed since 1914 including the size and complexity of our population and I'm not sure cocaine would end up being reduced to being used in energy drinks.
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    If you are a member of law enforcement, I highly suggest you look at the material at www.leap.cc. Very educational.
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    A lot of things have changed, yet some are the same...

    In 1914, it was estimated that 1.3% of the population was addicted to drugs...

    When Nixon coined the term "War on Drugs" in 1972, part of the reason was the estimate that 1.3% of the population was addicted to drugs...

    Today, it is estimated that, you guessed it, 1.3% of the population is addicted to drugs...

    Those numbers are per one of the speakers from www.leap.cc.

    If we regulated cocaine so that it could be used by adults in "energy drinks," there would be some people who would try to extract the cocaine to ingest it in other ways, but most people would ingest it per regulations. If we further created a tracking system, managed by healthcare professionals, that flagged people who purchased excessive amounts of regulated substances, we could target treatment options at those people who exhibit problem use.

    The tax $ alone would easily pay to treat every single person who ended up experiencing problem usage and it would all be paid for by the taxes on the drugs themselves. Our approach is 100 years old, had conclusively proven that prohibition does not work, and has caused incalculable harm on our society. It needs to be changed.
     

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