Pistons Possibly Trying To Land T-MAC for Billups and T-Prince

don't be so sensitive for you idol, college boy.

i say it again - when comparing to mvp's, regular season or finals, mcgrady doesn't look like god in anyway.

 

he's the MVP by default really. paul only had 2 great dominant superstar like performances in the finals (games 1 and 5). he was either average or sucked every other game.

garnett was mediocre for the most part; allen was great for 2-3 games. kobe lost.

it wasn't a "superstar" all-around performance. remember, his finals #s are simply 21 and 6, not exactly a takeover dwade kind of performance.

tmac can put up 21 and 6 in his sleep if he plays with kg and allen.

 

You do realize he plays with Garnett and Allen, right? He doesnt need to put up superstar numbers every game to win. And btw, IMO, game 4 was bad, game 1 was average, and the other 4 were well played.

This is such an ignorant statement that I honestly dont know where to begin.

First of all, Pierce plays both sides of the ball, and in the Jazz series, Tmac only played a total of 15 more minutes than Pierce did in the Laker series. Given the fact that Tmac would be expected to play defense, if he were on the celtics, he would most likely get tired and his overall game would suffer.

Next, Pierce was better from the free throw line and from 3 pt land. So if you were to assume that Tmac would score more points with the same number of shots, you're mistaken.

Tmac gets his assists primarily off pick and rolls. Garnett is not a pick and roll player. In fact, Garnett and Allen can both create their own shots so Tmac's assists numbers would be even lower since they would not require Tmac to set up their shots.

The most effective way for Tmac to get assists would be to penetrate. However, he doesnt like to penetrate, and even if he did, Rondo is more efficient at it.

Simply put, Pierce is a far better fit for the Celtics than Tmac could ever hope to be. Pierce is a much better spot up 3 pt shooter (and free throw shooter) and does not present a defensive liability.

 

getting prince would mean we'd have to move battier, as both players play SF, but if prince can play PF then we would have a great defensive team.

 

was pierce's defense a topic of discussion before the playoffs? NO. it shows he can play defense when he's asked.

did tmac play defense in the jazz series? YES. did he play consistent D during the reg. season? NO.

if tmac is asked upon to guard somebody, he will. you're calling me ignorant and yet you call tmac a "defensive liability"? please. he can't be a liability if our defense is top 3 in all of his years here. and usually when adelman/JVG needs a stop on the perimeter, they ask tmac to do so (gerald wallace earlier this yr, to stop harpring or ak47 in the playoffs).

it doesn't matter if pierce doesn't have to carry the load. he was a GHOST in many games. he had VERY LITTLE impact in almost half of the playoff games played. like i said, he was very mediocre in the 13 playoff games before game 7 v. the cavs. you expect pierce to be much better and more "CONSISTENT" considering he plays with other stars. but he's not. he was very inconsistent.

like pierce said himself, when you win, people tend to notice your strengths rather than your weakness b/c who would be stupid to criticize a loser. tmac is a loser. so it's fine you criticize his weaknesses, which are there. but he's better than pierce. call danny ainge and even he will tell you that even after the finals.

tmac will NEVER EVER in his sleep put up freakin' 6 pts in a playoff game or average 15 ppg on 38% shooting v. single coverage in the first 2 rounds. please, let's be realistic here.

 

Tmac had a few great defensive moments in the playoffs, but for the most part, he wasn't asked to guard a scorer.

 

somehow this stupid rumor ended up on 97.9 the boxx this morning...

Reporting incredulous sh-t will cause tmac to be downright ticked-off at management...mixed signals all over the place..

Everybody go back and take a look at the 22-game winstreak footage. The stuff he's capable of when his shoulder, leg,..etc gets better is going to be out of this world.

Take a look at Tiger on a bum knee... amazing,..but even he needed surgery.

 

From what has been posted in this thread, it appears that the rumor was already on 97.5 yesterday evening. Do you have an explanation?

 

I would only trade TMac for Rip AND Prince. Not Sheed or Billups please.

 

I wish to trade TMac yet. I would like to see him , Yao, Scola, Landry for another year in the same team.

 

OOps!! I mean I don't want to trade TMac yet.

 

How about this?

Since T-Mac was a rocket in 2004, Piece's poorest seasonal FG% is higher than T-Mac's highest seasonal FG%, will that be enough for you? and you do realize that T-Mac's FG% is lower than the team's average every season? In term of post-season this year, pierce played 26 game with 44.1% FG percentage and T-Mac played 6 games with 42.5%. Those data are from NBA.com.

I have no idea where you got your data from?

 

Why not Billups? We kinda do need a decent PG you know lol.
I'd definitely trade T-Mac for Rip And Billups but that seems like a really unlikely trade. I highly doubt Pistons are looking to trade Rip anyways though.

I don't reckon we should be getting rid of T-Mac and Yao just yet, give it another season or two lol. Hopefully this season we'll get a good pick and possibly some nice trades.

 

things need to change, who can expect these guys off peak time can do something better. that's a good deal.

 

um, he got better as the postseason got along. i EMPHASIZED he sucked until game 7 v. the cavs. he had a lot of dominant games after that. he played a total of 26 playoff games. 13 games he was very poor/average for the most part. 9 dominant superstar like performances. it'll even out to 44-45% shooting.

tmac ALSO got better as the playoffs went on v. the jazz as he picked up his rhythm (13-26 shooting the past 2 games). who wouldn't say he would have gotten better as the playoffs got longer if the team advanced? it's presumptuous but we saw a tmac that improved offensively with each game.

and if you want to get into playoff stats,

pierce's shooting fg% before this yr in the playoffs was -> 40%. so if you include the 44% this yr, his fg% is still lower than tmac's career playoff avg.

his ppg average is 22ppg in the playoffs. outside of ft% and rebounding, tmac blows everythng else out of the water.

don't get me wrong, paul pierce showed me he's a great player with a lot of heart. but if you're comparing the playoff tmac to the playoff pierce, it's not even that close.

if tmac avg 19ppg, 5rpg, 4apg in the playoffs even if we added a michael redd or another legit starter, i would not consider that a superstar performance. would you?

 

tmac>>>>>>>>>>>pierce cmon now mac gives u everything thats why they call him the facilitator cause not only can he give u 40 ona given night, hell also give you 8 assists and 6 boards.....if mac were to ever score below 10 points in aplayoff game it would be heard world wide but since pierce plays for the beloved celtics 5 terrible games in the playoffs is no big deal....ask anyone in the league who they rather have in their team pierce or tmac and evryone would say tmac its that much of a nobrainer

 

Michael Wilbon said that Pierce was the most impressive player not only in the Laker/Celtics series but in the entire playoffs. Presumably that would include T-Mac since the Rockets took Utah to six games.

The most impressive thing about Pierce is that he was still effective while sharing scoring duties with KG and Allen. That's a lesson T-Mac might want to absorb.

Again, T-Mac isn't bad by any stretch but the blind love shown for him on these forums gets old.

 

One more thing: anyone can score lots of points if they just jack up shot after shot. That's the Kobe lesson. I would rather have a player like Pierce convert at a relatively high % and score fewer points than have T-Mac scoring but taking and missing lots of shots. T-Mac's biggest problem has always been discipline in shot selection and the last couple of playoff series against Utah have only highlighted that.

 

so he was better than kobe before this finals? kobe was putting up 32, 7, 6 on 51% shooting.

if you know the media, they like to hype up people who actually win. why hype up losers?

i never said tmac was better than kobe or lebron or chris paul. i'm comparing him to paul pierce, who's a great player in his own right. i'm stating facts out there. i pointed out games where JVG and mark jackson who commentated the game asked "where is paul pierce" many times in a game.

but when you win, you have to respect what that guy did. do people care ray allen sucked before the detroit series? NO. he was on pace for MVP for the finals before pierce put up 38 in game 5. do people care KG was mediocre in the finals putting up 17ppg on 40% shooting for a PF? NO. b/c they WON.

it's absurd to say pierce played better than kobe or chris paul, who are the 2 best players in the entire playoffs. kobe was on some legendary stuff before facing the celtics' D, not paul pierce. please, try to watch the games and not go by everything the media says, esp. people who work for ESPN.