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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jopatmc, Jun 18, 2008.

  1. superweapon-yao

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    2007-08 EFFICIENCY LEADERS : Efficiency Per Game
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    PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG PTS EFF RPG APG STPG BLKPG EFF48M EFF
    1 LeBron James , CLE 75 40.4 30.0 30.3 7.9 7.2 1.8 1.08 36.08 30.33
    2 Amare Stoudemire , PHX 79 33.9 25.2 28.4 9.1 1.5 0.8 2.06 40.29 28.44
    3 Chris Paul , NOH 80 37.6 21.0 27.9 4.0 11.6 2.7 0.05 35.63 27.89
    4 Dwight Howard , ORL 82 37.7 20.7 26.8 14.2 1.3 0.9 2.15 34.11 26.76
    5 Kobe Bryant , LAL 82 38.9 28.3 26.6 6.3 5.4 1.8 0.49 32.79 26.6
    6 Ming Yao , HOU 55 37.2 22.0 25.5 10.8 2.3 0.5 2.02 32.97 25.53
    7 Dirk Nowitzki , DAL 77 36.0 23.6 25.4 8.6 3.5 0.7 0.92 33.88 25.38
    8 Carlos Boozer , UTA 81 34.9 21.1 25.0 10.4 2.9 1.2 0.51 34.39 25.0
    9 Kevin Garnett , BOS 71 32.8 18.8 24.8 9.2 3.4 1.4 1.25 36.37 24.84
    10 Tim Duncan , SAS 78 34.0 19.3 24.6 11.3 2.8 0.7 1.95 34.75 24.6
    11 Chris Bosh , TOR 67 36.2 22.3 24.2 8.7 2.6 0.9 1.0 32.07 24.18
    12 Al Jefferson , MIN 82 35.6 21.0 23.8 11.1 1.4 0.9 1.45 32.07 23.78
    13 Carmelo Anthony , DEN 77 36.4 25.7 23.5 7.4 3.4 1.3 0.51 31.01 23.54
    14 Marcus Camby , DEN 79 34.9 9.1 23.5 13.1 3.3 1.1 3.61 32.37 23.54
    15 Allen Iverson , DEN 82 41.8 26.4 23.5 3.0 7.1 2.0 0.15 26.97 23.46
    16 Pau Gasol , LAL-MEM 66 35.6 18.9 23.2 8.4 3.2 0.5 1.48 31.22 23.17
     
  2. Easy

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    I wasn't talking about Howard, nor do I think you were. You said you thought, "most GM's would much rather have a guy who scores 17 for 80 nights a year than a guy who scores 20 for 50."

    Howard does not score 17 a night. He scores 20. And he is not a 18, 8 guy that I mentioned.

    Do you think it is good to trade Yao for a "healthy" 18, 8 role player?

    Edit: Just occurred to me that another Howard fits just right for this role. Juwan has been a 18, 8 player for most of his career, and has been fairly healthy, rarely missed more than 10 games in a season. Do you think it would be a good deal to trade Yao for a player like Juwan in his prime?
     
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  3. dlite316

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    forget abt it...yao is going nowhere
     
  4. Homie3

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    Guys, Yao isn't going anywhere. He's the best center in the NBA. Our entire team is built upon him. Trading Yao is equivalent to tearing up the whole rockets team. It's not gonna happen.
     
  5. Homie3

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    Also. People need to stop comparing Yao to Dwight Howard. Yao is better. It doesn't matter how tough or athletic Howard is, Yao simply has more skill, and that's much more important.
     
  6. boby

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    The only way I would trade Yao is
    we get Gasol in return!! :D
     
  7. SamFisher

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    If Juwan was going to give me 80 nights a year at his max salary performance level and Yao was going to break a bone like he usually does - yes, it definitely would have been worth it.

    Yao averaged 0 ppg vs. Utah this year in the playoffs - did you know that?
     
  8. Easy

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    Juwan had no chance of leading a team to championship even at the height of his career totally healthy. Yao, however, has a good chance to have a few healthy seasons in the future in which he can lead the team to contend for a title. You still think it's worth it?

    Yao averaged 21 and 25 ppg in his last two playoff appearances - did you know that? When has a player like Juwan ever achieved that?
     
  9. Rockza

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    huh? No way. Gasol is no superstar on any team except when he was in Memphis.
     
  10. HillBoy

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    Sam may be on to something here. There appears to be a reason why no player over 7-2 has won a championship. Yao's body may very well be too big to take the physical pounding and abuse of the extended NBA season. I didn't think so before but this latest injury has given me real pause on his ability to stay healthy and the older he gets, the more injury-prone he'll likely become.
     
  11. HillBoy

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    I think you've got it! :)
     
  12. Dave_78

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    LOL...good point.

    D. Howard's game is nice but he isn't a consistent scorer and you sure as hell don't want to throw him the ball in the clutch because he has no consistent offensive moves and he doesn't shoot free throws well. He seems to be a bit of a knucklehead and a sore loser too.

    I would not trade him for Yao at this point unless Adelman's offense changes to one where everyone just jacks up jumpers and hopes the Center can grab a few of those missed shots. Not a good idea.
     
  13. Easy

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    Ilgauskas is a good counterexample. He is 7'3. After playing less than 30 games in two seasons early in his NBA career, everybody thought he was finished. But after that, he had not missed more than 5 games in 5 consecutive seasons.

    Big Z is not a superstar by any means and he will not lead a team to a title. But his career shows that big men can stay healthy even after some injury prone seasons.

    I am not saying that Yao's injuries are not a concern. And I do believe Yao's minutes need to be reduced to the lower 30s. But to dismiss his value because of his injuries to less than a 18,8 role player like Sam did is going overboard.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    By the numbers it probably is - A good player you can rely on every night vs. a better player who's only around for 5/8 of the season?

    Did you know that Yao was outscored by Juwan in the playoffs THIS year? He was.

    YOu do know that the league goes on when Yao's foot breaks or Tracy's back acts up right? It would be nice if it didn't - but it does.

    Look my point here is that "WHEN HEALTHY" qualifiers are meaningless when discussed when the team is not healthy, and when logic and experience dictate that as time passes a state of full health will become even less and less likely.

    As a consequence, I think players should be valued based on their healthiness- A player that's oft injured shoudl be discounted by his injury. And for the last 3 years, somebody has oft been injured as a consequence of lugging 300 lbs around on a 7-6 set of pipes - could it be Big Z redux and he'll start playing 82 game seasons? Unlikely, IMO.

    Is it possible to predict the future? no - but then that's a GM's job isn't it?
     
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    There have only been about a dozen players over 7-2 in NBA history. It's not exactly a large sample space.
     
  16. HillBoy

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    True, but this is something that has bothered me for quite some time. Yao's size may well be his greatest enemy. I'm not sure that the human body was designed to take all of that physical stress at his size and weight.
     
  17. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    I dont't know about Juwan but I would do it for a his buddy C-webb in his prime.
     
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    I will be surprised if Yao is ever the same again after this injury.
     
  19. Easy

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    A good player you can rely on every night can be had relatively easily. A player who can carry a team to championship happens to only a few teams. When you have one, you don't trade him for a role player unless you are sure he is physically finished. I guess this is where we disagree. I believe Yao is not finished. You think he is.

    Why do you keep pointing at THIS year? Do you evaluate a player's worth by just ONE year? Yao had TWO consecutive 20+ ppg playoffs seasons. When did Juwan ever have one?

    Fair enough. Like I said, we just disagree on how likely Yao can have some healthy seasons in the future. I think nobody really knows. You think pretty sure he won't.
     
  20. Easy

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    Not only that, you can count with one hand how many players over 7-2 have the skills to be a franchise player.
     

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