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Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians

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  1. Q8 Rocket

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    some BBS members disscused this subject in glynch's topic and i found this article worthy to show it here in addition to what they were talking about :



    A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
    Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.

    Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical dogma.

    'I have authored several hundred scientific papers, some for Nature and Science, and this has never happened to me before,' said the article's lead author, Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, of Complutense University in Madrid. 'I am stunned.'

    British geneticist Sir Walter Bodmer added: 'If the journal didn't like the paper, they shouldn't have published it in the first place. Why wait until it has appeared before acting like this?'

    The journal's editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it. The article has been removed from Human Immunology's website, while letters have been written to libraries and universities throughout the world asking them to ignore or 'preferably to physically remove the relevant pages'. Arnaiz-Villena has been sacked from the journal's editorial board.

    Dolly Tyan, president of the American Society of Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, which runs the journal, told subscribers that the society is 'offended and embarrassed'.

    The paper, 'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations', involved studying genetic variations in immune system genes among people in the Middle East.

    In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team's research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.

    Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude.

    But the journal, having accepted the paper earlier this year, now claims the article was politically biased and was written using 'inappropriate' remarks about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Its editor told the journal Nature last week that she was threatened by mass resignations from members if she did not retract the article.

    Arnaiz-Villena says he has not seen a single one of the accusations made against him, despite being promised the opportunity to look at the letters sent to the journal.

    He accepts he used terms in the article that laid him open to criticism. There is one reference to Jewish 'colonists' living in the Gaza strip, and another that refers to Palestinian people living in 'concentration' camps.

    'Perhaps I should have used the words settlers instead of colonists, but really, what is the difference?' he said.

    'And clearly, I should have said refugee, not concentration, camps, but given that I was referring to settlements outside of Israel - in Syria and Lebanon - that scarcely makes me anti-Jewish. References to the history of the region, the ones that are supposed to be politically offensive, were taken from the Encyclopaedia Britannica, and other text books.'

    In the wake of the journal's actions, and claims of mass protests about the article, several scientists have now written to the society to support Arnaiz-Villena and to protest about their heavy-handedness.

    One of them said: 'If Arnaiz-Villena had found evidence that Jewish people were genetically very special, instead of ordinary, you can be sure no one would have objected to the phrases he used in his article. This is a very sad business.'



    http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605798,00.html

    don't be shocked ! it's just one way to trick people around the world !!
     
  2. Franchise2001

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    Q8.. ever take a genetics class? Everyone is almost genetically identical! If they did research on you, boy, and a tick, you would be almost genetically identical too!
     
  3. dylan

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    Wow, you're trying so hard to disagree with the paper that you're just being r****ded. Yeah we all share 98% identical DNA. But within that 2% that isn't shared, some people are more related than others. What this paper is saying is that the Isrealis and Palastinians share more of that 2% than, say, me and a Palastinian.

    Have you ever taken a genetics class?
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    Can anybody think of a discussion subject that is more likely to bring out the 'Q8Rocket'-like people of the world than middle eastern affairs?

    BTW, here is Q8's modus operandi:

    If you look at 'belief x' from a very specific point of view, using several tenous suppositions, it proves to be false. Why is it that nobody has brought this up? Clearly it is prime evidence of the Zionist Conspiracy, and the fact that no western media has pointed this out shows that they part of the evil conspiracy to hurt the innocent, peace loving Arabs. Oh! Poor us!

    The Democrats have the Communists as their red-headed stepchild. The Republicians have the Nazis as theirs. I hope that those among you who side more towards the Palestinian side, see Q8 for what he is.
     
  5. Franchise2001

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    Yes and I made an A!

    its more like 99.99999%.. im just having fun with Q8.. his blantant hate for zionism is so bad its almost funny.
     
  6. dylan

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    Yeah, I know he is way biased. Personally I don't give a damn what happens in the middle east so I'm not biased either way, I just hate to see bad science. :)
     
  7. NIKEstrad

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    This is a nice, blatant piece of anti-Zionist propoganda.

    I'd like Q8 Rocket, or anyone else, to point out this statement in the Talmud.
     
  8. Princess

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    This just contributes to my opinion that both hold equal rights to Israel.
     
  9. haven

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    Princess, please desist from saying this. Even the mind-numbingly objective puedlfor thinks it's philosophically impossible to maintain such an opionion and not be a Marxist.

    I ask again, are you a Marxist?
     
  10. treeman

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    Ottomaton:

    You just went up about 50 notches on a 55-notch scale in my book. :)
     
  11. Princess

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    No, I'm not a Marxist. You can think what you like. I used to side with the Israelis. But I have a better understanding of the situation than I did 3 months ago and every 12 hours ago. The more knowledge I gain, the more I see how both sides are right and wrong. My opinions on this situation are based on this situation alone.

    There is no fair way to settle this. They both have similar claims to the land and both will die and kill for the land.

    The have both been there for 1,000 years. They both have religious reasons to want the land, although some may voice theirs more.

    The original desire and plan for the Zionist state was secular. They chose Israel for religious significance, but were denied. They were offered Uganda temporarily, and it could be used as a refuge for Russian Jewry who were being oppressed and killed in pogroms. Herzl and some planned to take it. It would be safe and it would be their's. It would only be temporary. Others refused because that land had no significance to them. They wanted Israel. They wanted to return to their homeland.

    The Palestinians had that land as their home too. How can it be one person's home more than another's? They shared it for years. That would be the ideal resolution, but it cannot ever happen.

    Both sides are raising their children to hate the other side. It's only going to get worse. I don't think it's fair to ask any side to give up. I also don't think it's fair to just let them kill each other until they are all dead.

    I trust in our country that we will support a fair end to this, although I don't know what it will be. Several plans have been offered and turned down. I have reasons to support both sides over the other but I don't feel comfortable making the call. I think this is sad.
     
  12. Major

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    <B>Princess, please desist from saying this. Even the mind-numbingly objective puedlfor thinks it's philosophically impossible to maintain such an opionion and not be a Marxist. </B>

    I disagree -- I don't necessarily believe they have equal claim to the land (I don't know enough of the history), but I believe its very much possible for two people to have equal claim to something.

    For a very simple example, take a loose ball in basketball. Two players on opposing teams are touching it as they both step out of bounds at the same time. Both teams there do have equal claim to the ball. Sure, one player is going to ultimately get it, but that doesn't mean both teams didn't have equal rights to it. Barring a jump ball, whichever team the ref doesn't give the ball to simply was cheated.
     
  13. Q8 Rocket

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    ottomaton :

    how about this quotes ottomaton ?

    Starting from moral first principles is pointless. In 1948, the state of Israel had no right to come into being, in as much as the Jews had no right to expropriate a single acre of Palestinian land. They could have claimed a right to expropriate territory and much else from Germany, but all their sufferings at the hands of the Germans did not entitle them to dispossess Palestinians. Yet their new state was necessarily founded on dispossession.


    Bruce Anderson, The Independent, Monday, December 3, 2001

    http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=107956

    Can Ariel Sharon control his own people? Can he control his army? Can he stop them from killing children, leaving booby traps in orchards or firing tank shells into refugee camps? Can Sharon stop his rabble of an army from destroying hundreds of Palestinian refugee homes in Gaza? Can Sharon "crack down" on Jewish settlers and prevent them from stealing more land from Palestinians? Can he stop his secret-service killers from murdering their Palestinian enemies – or carrying out " targeted killings", as the BBC was still gutlessly calling these executions yesterday in its effort to avoid Israeli criticism.


    Robert Fisk, The Independent, Tuesday, December 4, 2001

    http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=108161

    No comments !
     

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