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Historical myths : The Arabs started all the wars: 1948

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  1. Q8 Rocket

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    http://bbs.clutchcity.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29318&pagenumber=2


    let's have some fun !


    Since the establishment of Israel there have been five major wars between Arabs and the Israelis. These wars occured in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982. Israel claims that the Arabs started all the wars. Although there has been low-intensity conflict in the intervening years and major conflagrations during the "War of Attrition" in 1969-1970 and the 1978 invasion of Lebanon, massive civil disobedience during the Uprising of 1988, and in 2000-2001 during the Al-Aqsa Intifada, it is these five wars Israel refers to when it makes its claims, creating the impression that Israel has only acted "in self-defence".

    The roots of the 1948 war go as far back as the first recognition on the part of the Palestinians that the Zionists wished to establish a Jewish state on their land. In late 1947 the United Nations proposed that Palestine be divided into a Palestinian Arab state and a Jewish state. The UN Partition Plan recommended that 55 percent of Palestine, and the most fertile region, be given to the Jewish settlers who compromised 30 percent of the population. The remaining 45 percent of Palestine was to comprise a home for the other 70 percent of the population who were Palestinians. The Palestinians rejected the plan because it was unfair.

    Israel and its supporters claim that the Arabs first attacked in Janurary 1948 and then invaded Israel in May 1948.



    Facts
    The truth is that by May 1948 Zionist forces had already invaded and occupied large parts of the land which had been allocated to the Palestinians by the UN Partition Plan. In January 1948 Israel did not yet exist.

    The evidence that Israel started the 1948 war comes from Zionist sources. The History of the Palmach which was released in portions in the 1950s (and in full in 1972) details the efforts made to attack the Palestinian Arabs and secure more territory than alloted to the Jewish state by the UN Partition Plan (Kibbutz Menchad Archive, Palmach Archive, Efal, Israel).

    Already, Zionist forces were implementing their "Plan Dalet" to

    "control the area given to us [the Zionists] by the U.N. in addition to areas occupied by Arabs which were outside these borders and the setting up of forces to counter the possible invasion of Arab armies after May 15" (Qurvot 1948, p. 16, which covers the operations of Haganah and Palmach, see also Ha Sepher Ha Palmach, The Book of Palmach).


    Operation Nachson, 1 April 1948
    Operation Harel, 15 April 1948
    Operation Misparayim, 21 April 1948
    Operation Chametz, 27 April 1948
    Operation Jevuss, 27 April 1948
    Operation Yiftach, 28 April 1948
    Operation Matateh, 3 May 1948
    Operation Maccabi, 7 May 1948

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    Operation Gideon, 11 May 1948
    Operation Barak, 12 May 1948
    Operation Ben Ami, 14 May 1948
    Operation Pitchfork, 14 May 1948
    Operation Schfifon, 14 May 1948
    The operations 1-8 indicate operations carried out before the entry of the Arab forces inside the areas allotted by the UN to the Arab state. It has to be noted that of thirteen specific full-scale operations under Plan Dalet eight were carried out outside the area "given" by the UN to the Zionists.

    Following is a list drawn from the New York Times of the major military operations the Zionists mounted before the British evacuated Palestine and before the Arab forces entered Palestine:

    Qazaza (21 Dec. 1947)
    Sa'sa (16 Feb. 1948)
    Haifa (21 Feb. 1948)
    Salameh (1 March 1948)
    Biyar Adas (6 March 1948)
    Qana (13 March 1948)
    Qastal (4 April 1948)
    Deir Yassin (9 April 1948)
    Lajjun (15 April 1948)
    Saris (17 April 1948)
    Tiberias (20 April 1948)
    Haifa (22 April 1948)
    Jerusalem (25 April 1948)
    Jaffa (26 April 1948)
    Acre (27 April 1948)
    Jerusalem (1 May 1948)
    Safad (7 May 1948)
    Beisan (9 May 1948).

    David Ben-Gurion confirms this in an address delivered to American Zionists in Jerusalem on 3 September 1950:

    "Until the British left, no Jewish settlement, however remote, was entered or seized by the Arabs, while the Haganah, under severe and frequent attack, captured many Arab positions and liberated Tiberias and Haifa, Jaffa and Safad" (Ben-Gurion, Rebirth and Destiny of Israel (N.Y.: Philosophical Library, 1954, p. 530).
    Although late PM Ben-Gurion speaks of "liberating" Jaffa it was alloted to the Palestinians by the UN Partition Plan.

    Late PM Menachem Begin adds:

    "In the months preceding the Arab invasion, and while the five Arab states were conducting preparations, we continued to make sallies into Arab territory. The conquest of Jaffa stands out as an event of first-rate importance in the struggle for Hebrew independence early in May, on the eve [that is, before the alleged Arab invasion] of the invasion by the five Arab states" (Menachem Begin, The Revolt, Nash, 1972, p. 348)

    On 12 December 1948 David Ben Gurion confirmed the fact that the Zionists started the war in 1948:

    "As April began, our War of Independence swung decisively from defense to attack. Operation 'Nachson'...was launched with the capture of Arab Hulda near where we stand today and of Deir Muheisin and culminated in the storming of Qastel, the great hill fortress near Jerusalem" (Ben Gurion, Rebirth and Destiny of Israel (N.Y.: Philosophical Library, 1954, p. 106).

    Israeli historians have themselves refuted the claim that the Arabs started the 1948 war. Benny Morris uncovered a report from the Israeli Defense Force Intelligence Branch (30 June 1948) that shows a deliberate Israeli policy to attack the Arabs should they resist and expel the Palestinians (Benny Morris, "The Causes and Character of the Arab Exodus from Palestine: the Israel Defense Forces Intelligence Branch Analysis of June 1948", Middle Eastern Studies, XXII, January 1986, pp. 5-19).



    Conclusion
    In sum, it is not true that the Arabs "invaded Israel" in 1948.

    First, Israel did not exist at the time of the alleged invasion as an established state with recognised bounderies. When the Zionist leaders established Israel on 15 May 1948 they purposely declined to declare the bounderies of the new state in order to allow for future expansion.

    Secondly, the only territory to which the new state of Israel had even a remote claim was that alloted to the Jewish state by the UN Partition Plan. But the Zionists had already attacked areas that were alloted to the Palestinian Arab state.

    Thirdly, those areas which the Arab states purportedly "invaded" were, in fact, exclusively areas alloted to the Palestinian Arab state proposed by the UN Partition Plan. The so-called Arab invasion was a defensive attempt to hold on to the areas alloted by the Partition Plan for the Palestinian state.

    Finally, the commander of Jordan's Arab Legion, was under orders not to enter the areas alloted to the Jewish state (Sir John Bagot Glubb, "The Battle for Jerusalem", Middle East International, May 1973).

     
  2. RocketMan Tex

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    Here we go again:rolleyes:
     
  3. ROCKSS

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    Give it a rest
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Learn to live together before ole BIG BRO USA gets tired of you little sniveling countries and throws a round house punch to both of your kissers !!!

    DaDakota
     
  5. treeman

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    Could you please provide links to your lies - er, um, stories, Q8 Rocket? So we know you didn't write this yourself in one of your more lucid moments?

    BTW, this is even more ridiculous than your "The Jews want to blow up our rock" theory... It really doesn't deserve anything more than a big, fat [​IMG]
     
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  6. Ubiquitin

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    PALESTIN 4eva
    WOHOO!!!!!!
     
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  7. treeman

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    Are q8 and boy the same person ???? It's funny how they both show up at the same time and both post the same kind of propaganda.
     
  9. Puedlfor

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    6 minute abs? 6 minute abs?

    Step into my office . . .
     
  10. treeman

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    DAROckets:

    Even boy doesn't bother posting this kind of BS. He knows better... Q8 Rocket just doesn't seem capable of controlling himself.
     
  11. Mango

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    <A HREF="http://www.electronicintifada.net/historicalmyths/1948war.html">This seems to be the web site</A>




    Mango
     
  12. treeman

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    The Electronic Intifada? Jeesus, that's not biased...:rolleyes:

    Think I lost a few brain cells after looking around there for 5 minutes.
     
  13. Kam

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    Here is an idea for the mid east.

    TURN THE F'Ning PAGE

    :) :)
     
  14. Franchise2001

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    Why? :D
     
  15. x34

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    LOL :D

    Yea, not exactly "fair and balanced", eh?
     
  16. treeman

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    Hell, I'll take FOX News any day over the Electronic Intifada. ;)
     
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    Cuz you're ****ing fired!
     
  18. Q8 Rocket

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    prove it tree ! I suspect you can

    what do you want from the Palestinians to do ? let you and Israelis to spread their lies to the world ? moreover, the thread is based on some Zionist books you can check out if it’s lies or not by going to the references .

    so this article is TRUE until you get some evidence that it’s not !

    Furthermore , you have to show everybody here your proves which indicate that your claims are true
     
  19. DaDakota

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    How about the good people of Kuwait let the Palastinians into their country?

    Let them have a small piece of Kuwait, after all it would be part of Iraq if it were not for the USA, since the Kuwaitis can not even protect themselves.

    DaDakota
     
  20. DaDakota

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    I thought that might kill this thread, when it comes to REAL help, people tend to shy away.

    DaDakota
     

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