I was reading the article that Basso posted in another thread http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3720387&postcount=1 As a male who supported Clinton I never really felt there was a sexist angle to the primaries but it does seem like many of Clinton's most ardent female supporters have and feel this was a big part of how the primaries played out. Many Obama supporters have spoken about latent racism in the primaries including criticizing both Bill and Hillary Clinton for making racially charged statements yet I have heard little discussion regarding sexist statements and attitudes from the Obama campaign or its supporters. I completely concede that as a male perhaps I'm not as sensitive to sexism, and since the D & D seems overwhelmingly male perhaps there might not be much of a discussion on this, but I am curious if anyone felt that sexism was present or played a role in the primaries.
its just one of those things, hillary got accused of being emotional to draw support. well if you call a woman emotional you're going to get labeled sexist, sometimes regardless if she is or not. clinton did cry on the campaign trail and she did accuse the media of treating her unfairly in debates early on. its like if you called a black man lazy, the particular guy maybe lazy, but prepare to here a charge of racism.
There was clearly some measure of sexism, but I don't believe it had much to do with Hillary losing. Her multiple verbal blunders, poor (and ever morphing) campaign strategy and obvious flaws as a candidate sunk her campaign. She went from overwhelming favorite to sore loser. The sting of seemingly having the nomination in the bag to coming up short has left her and many of her supporters bitter. When tragedy happens, two stages you go through are anger and denial. Hillary and supporters are experiencing both right now. IMO, the cries of sexism are very hollow and just mainly serve to give people an outlet for their emotions. Logic and reason won't appeal right now. Only time will heal these "wounds".
In my opinion Hillary had the nomination until Super Tuesday. Her problem was that she is an establishment candidate that has too much political baggage (like voting for the Iraq war). She thought that the party power brokers would stay behind her (I did also). But Obama raised more money, worked harder for grassroot support and clearly was heard as the messenger of change (media started shining a light on him). He galvanized the black vote behind him and moved moderates to his enthusiasm. From there he was able to rack up delegates that Clinton thought she could take by reputation and name only. Once Obama gained momentum after Super Tuesday (and delegates) Clinton was on the defensive. This allowed Obama to go on the 'believe' inspirational offensive. Being a gifted speaker Obama had a smile that Hillary could never match. That allowed him to win over more moderate democrats that were skeptical of him at first. Her personality hurt her more than her sex IMO
There was sexism towards Hillary. It didn't really come from her opponents, but from the general populace and occasionally the media. Was it the reason she lost? No.
This is not in dispute. Of course there was sexism involved in the primary. Michelle Obama herself said that if Hillary can't keep her own house, then she can't keep the White House. Man, talk about serving up a piping hot plate of disgusting sexism on a silver platter. Of course the in-the-tank-for-Obama media gave her a pass. This is one of DOZENS of examples of sexism used by the 'innocent' Obama camp. Heck, Obama himself spoke in condescending, sexist overtones to the reporter who asked him a question in Michigan -- referring to her as 'sweetie'. This isn't disputed folks.
this is so ridiculous its not even funny. how is another woman saying she didn't keep her house in order sexist? especially with all the guilt by association attempts at obama's character how was this sexist towards hillary, btw, would you care to address mccain answering this question from an audience member on the campaign trail How do we beat the b****?" McCain's supporter asked him. And as you can see, it appears that after McCain joked about offering a "translation" of his supporter's query, he said: "That's an excellent question." He went on to add that he had "respect" for Hillary. We've checked in again with the McCain camp for comment on this, and we'll bring you their answer if we get one. Late Update: A McCain spokesman emails over the following http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpo...ry_about_hillary_is_an_excellent_question.php
You don't have any room to feign anger of sexism after your repeated posts remarking on Hillary's ankles, and appearance.
You leave Hillaroid's cankles and slobbish fat thighs out of this discussion. That's just beyond the line of honest debate.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=107437&highlight=hildebeast here's trader's own thread and the post he started with Well, we all knew the Hildebeast was a bitter woman, eager to promote herself and grab power, but what we didn't know was the lengths to which she would stoop to express her deep anger. She has now compared the Bush Administration to slave owners. This woman is certifiably mad. She will be quite easy to Swift Boat should she make it out of the primaries. Above all, she is an angry witch. as the kids say, pnwed
the only thing that upsets me really about this issue is that these so called hillary supporters want to come out and attack other democrats on this issue when guy like jorge have been insulting this woman for who knows how long. but now that she's running for president against a guy who's been pretty respectful towards her, its an issue. a day late and dollar short folks
Wow, talk about being totally wrong... Just curious as to how you could possibly draw such a conclusion(?)
I don't know which of ya'll are stupider. TJ and his trolling asshattery or you dip****s that keep responding to it.
Obama has been very respectful to Clinton. He has conducted himself as a gentleman and a statesman (in this respect). Many of his most vocal supporters haven't conducted themselves this well, and that reflects badly on him.
