Will Kobe be considered the greatest Laker of all time?

once again, ur making things up. DWade was the main man. in the series, he oustcored Shaq like 33 to 14. it is dumb to give Shaq the full credit when DWade did most of the damages.

so, in a roundabout way, ur admitting that you're wrong when u falsely accused Kobe of driving Shaq out of LA, when the real reason was $$$$.

 

not to mention that the MVP is for the Finals and doesnt take into account the earlier series. Who was the guy out there hitting clutch shots as Shaq sat in 4th quarters due to the hack a shaq.

You implied teams used the hack a shaq to thwart his dominance. Reality is, it was used to exploit his weakness.

 

im outta here.... good bantering with you guys.

 

Whats with all of these Kobe threads? Get off his nuts for once.(and this is coming from a Kobe fan)

 

Fo-Fo-Fo Malone is better.

 

As a LAKER, Kareem played 4 years before Magic got there and never got his team to the Finals. 1st year Magic got there, Championship. And many more to follow. As a Laker Magic definitely beats Kareem.

Kobe beats Elgin Baylor and Jerry West in career PER, if that means anything. Which it probably doesnt. Jerry West with the 3 pointer woulda been absolutely devastating.

Elgin Baylor and Jerry West lost to the Celtics in the finals 7 times before Wilt got there. If Kobe wins one with no Shaq like West and Bayflor couldnt do without Wilt, he'd have to be considered in the ranking with those guys.

 

All I know is that I recall Drexlerfan22 saying the CLYDE DREXLER was better than Michael Jordan. No cred!!!!!

 

Bryant would need to lead his team to 3 championships to be on par with Shaq, much less Magic Johnson.

Even Wilt led the league in rebounding 5 times and FG pct 3 times, as well as a Finals MVP with the Lakers. That would put him ahead of Bryant as well. I haven't even really studied Mikan's career but my guess is he's ahead also.

 

you're both wrong and right.

As a Laker, Kobe has already surpassed Shaq. next
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Kobe, even if he leads his team to 10 more rings, will never pass Magic.​

 

Magic and showtime put the Lakers and the NBA to the top.
He started the renaissance of the NBA.

 

Uh, no. Sorry. There's really no need to address this any further as it's already been explained. If you want to continue to embarrass yourself, go right ahead.

 

Again, like I said earlier, do you really believe that any of those Laker teams could win without Shaq, and simply put Kobe as the main piece or would they have a better chance as Shaq as the main piece.

Shaq was at that point in his career, where he could make just about any team in the league successful....

For instance, take most bad teams today would they benefit more from the Kobe in LA now or Shaq from 94 to 05.

Put Shaq on a team, like the Bulls, Knicks, Kings, or Hawks with the team they have now all of those teams are instant contenders for the title.

You can't really same about Kobe, and do realize how unstoppable Shaq was from that period of time...You can compare mere stats, but do you really think teams feared David Robinson and Patrick Ewing the way they did the 300 pound Shaq.

 

so a guy who avg 30 and 15 on 57% shooting during the championship years isn't better than a guy who avg 23, 5, 5 during those 3 years?

 

My point was, they dont win without either!

 

Better? I really dont know how you qualify that. They play completely different positions. The wasy the offense worked then it went through shaq so he's going to score a little more and get more rebounds. Kobe is going to get more assists. Shaq was a liability at times as well with his free throw shooting. They dont win any titles without shaq. They also dont win any without Kobe.

As for the thread topic, If Kobe goes on the lead the current Laker tram to a few titles then he would be a greater laker than shaq. Plain and simple.

And work ethic does count. Had Shaw had any, they could have won a couple more.

 

so a guy who is the most feared assasin during the most crucial time in a game is not more valuable than one who is an offensive liability. and the cold-blooded assasin also plays top-notch defense and Shaq remains too lazy to defend the PNR.

next

 

Shaq was there for 3 years and won nada. It was only when Kobe developed that the team went over the top. Again, they dont win squat without either. If you want to say it was all shaq and kobe was irrelevant then so be it. I dont see it that way.

 

Shaq had already been to the Finals and the Conference Finals a number of times....I don't think he needed Kobe to get far into the playoffs, put it this way...You never saw Shaq's team struggling to get into the playoffs or being swept by a team like the Suns.

From 95 to 99, look at all of the teams that beat Shaq lead teams...

Dream - 95 (NBA Champion) - NBA Finals
MJ - 96 (NBA Champion) - ECF
Malone (MVP) and Stockton - 97 (NBA Finals runner-ups) - WCSF
Malone (MVP) and Stockton - 98 (NBA Finals runner-ups) - WCF
Duncan (MVP - runner up) - 99 (NBA Champion) - WCSF


I pretty much know if you trade Kobe to any of those teams right now, in place of Shaq those teams don't even have shot at the championship.

Could you see any of team lead by Kobe standing against (or being any better) juggernauts like the Rockets and Bulls?

 

Jesus Christ - that was SHAQ'S team - no one in their right minds would argue otherwise.

Shaq was just more dominant than ANYONE who's been in this league post Jordan during his prime. He was just on another level....

 

The same guy who shoots below 50% from the filed and takes ill-advised long range shots compared to a guy who get easier baskets, much needed rebounds, and keep defenders honest, even he doesn't have the ball.