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Well-done, well-stated article on sports journalism (Ambush interview discussed)

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by msn, May 20, 2008.

  1. cardpire

    cardpire Member

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    "a few different people": 1) the original poster (who i'm debating with). 2) you (seemingly clueless).

    for the other comment, you seem to be delusional, because those are all the exact things that you did and which i replied to with the same tone after you did it.

    also, continually begging everybody to flame me isn't exactly going to get anybody to take anything you say seriously. that's just a bizarre thing to do.
     
  2. msn

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    You posted condescending, patronizing psychobabble at me, called me a hypocrite, and then viciously patronized someone else. So yes, I'm calling you out. You don't want to be called out, don't do crap like that.

    No; better I should assume that others have the intelligence to judge the merits of each party separately. That's what I get for assuming. That statement was mean-spirited and unfair, so I apologize. But there's more than one perspective possible in a conversation, and when you only look from your own perspective (and refuse to even consider other viewpoints), you end up publishing gems like this:
    "wow. just wow."

    I'm here to hang out and discuss sports because it's fun. I don't "rely heavily" upon this BBS for anything, other than perhaps some workday entertainment and sports discussion. But thanks again for more assumption. You would do well to discuss the topic only, and not the character of those discussing it--especially those you've never met.

    Do you really need clarification? Weren't you just chastising me at the beginning of this same post for my criticism of this behavior? Did you ask this question just to be combative (again)?
     
  3. cardpire

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    anybody care to play a game of "count the hypocritical statements in this msn meltdown" with me?

    look man, i'll gladly debate the topic that you originally posted about with you, but i'm not giving in to your verbal assault. i'll make one last assumption: you are either in a foul mood or are a generally unhappy person.

    as for your defending the other poster and rushing to his defense, he met my harmless opinions in my reply to your original posting with unnecessary and unfounded slander and juvenility, rather than actually trying to make coherent debate, and i dismissed him accordingly. it's pretty darn weak that you overlook all of his disparaging remarks just because he's on your side of the argument though.

    and you can call me out all day and night until your heart's content - this is but an internet bbs.
     
  4. msn

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    --you accused me of excusing Tejada's lie while criticizing ESPN's lie.
    --you called me a hypocrite, over and over and over again
    --you called me a "generally unhappy person"

    Yeah, I'm launching a "verbal assault".
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    You'll gladly debate the original topic? OK. After making incorrect assumptions and being corrected while still calling me names, here's where the original debate stands:

    --What ESPN did, in my opinion, is *both* bush league and disgusting. That's what this thread is about.
    --What Tejada did, while it was *not* the thread topic, is *also* disgusting.

    What is your response to the topic at hand? Or do you prefer to continue to swipe at my character?
     
  5. bnb

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    Am I the only one who thinks that what Tejada did was not disgusting??

    He lied about his age to get a $2000 minor league contract. Once there, he had to compete amongst all the other prospects to earn his promotions up the ranks. He had no real advantage. He wasn't a ringer on a little league world series team or anything of the sort. His age may be an issue for his Astros long term deal....but other then that....what am I missing?
     
  6. cardpire

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    no further response. you clarified your position. those are your opinions, and, now that i know that you feel the same way about tejada as you do espn, i understand that you werent being hypocritical. was it really that illogical of an assumption for me to make, given your thread-starting post and no prior knowledge of your stance, that you were completely sympathizing with tejada there?

    in my opinion, what espn did was bush league, and what tejada did was dishonest (obviously), but "disgusting" is too strong of a word to describe what either side did.
     
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the sports journalism industry in this country have to justify their 24hr a day 7 days a week presence by doing investigative pieces on guys from latin american trying to escape poverty and live their dream
     
  8. Raven

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    It's a bit more complicated. Maybe a team signs a guy to a huge contract and finds out later that he's two or three years older than they thought. Maybe they wouldn't have offered the player such a long term deal, if they knew how old he really was.
     
  9. msn

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    Perhaps, but could you have at least asked without all the name-calling and lecturing?

    That's perfectly reasonable. The Internet is a haven for hyperbole, and I am often guilty.
     
  10. cardpire

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    re-read my initial response and tell me if the tone of it really warranted the tone of yours and the other guys responses to it.
     
  11. msn

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    OK, I'm sorry I asked what in the hell was wrong with you. But, even though you don't intend to compare the two actions, I believe the comparison of those two pieces of "journalism" (both of which disgust me) is inappropriate. Even the criminal justice system treats the two criminals differently, as they should.

    And that last bit of your initial response was extremely patronizing and inaccurate.
     
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    i wasn't attempting to be patronizing, and i admitted to being inaccurate after you showed me your prior posts. didn't intend it to be taken that way.

    as for the other thing, i am interpreting those 2 sentences as being in direct conflict with one another. i'm not assuming here, just asking for interpretation: you are saying Dateline is disgusting, yet it's justified and ok for them to lie and dupe because the crime is so heinous?
     
  13. msn

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    No, and I need to clarify that (if that's what you were asking earlier, it zoomed over my head; I thought you were again referring to the lie about Tejada's age).

    Dateline's report, if I understand it correctly (as I've never seen it), disgusts me. And no, it's not justified (as I mentioned earlier). That doesn't mean I believe it's appropriate to compare this to ESPN's ambush interview, however. Maybe I'm wrong, and I haven't really taken a lot of time to think this through, but the CJ system doesn't treat people who commit fraud the same way they treat child predators. But, they don't (or at least shouldn't) do dishonest and underhanded things in dealing with the child predators, either. So, if Dateline wanted to be a little more brutal or uncaring in their portrayal of a beast like that I get it--but if they're telling lies, and setting up interviews under false pretenses, and embarrasing innocent family members and communities in order to do so, that's disgusting to me.

    It's not Dateline's job to "ruin their lives". It's the CJ system's job to put them away. I want to see journalism, not vigilantism.
     
  14. yobod

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    I reacted to the COMMENT that you made.....the personal comments were made by you. You didn't clarify in your original post that you were talking about the methods that were being used by ESPN and Dateline....not the actual acts themselves. I made an erroneous assumption, just like you have in this very same discussion. Just because you continuously call me delusional, and insult my intelligence does not make it reality. And there is no begging.....the comparison you made (or what was originally thought to be made not just by me, but by another poster as well) was definitely not in good taste. I reacted to it a little too harshly, I apologize for that.

    And I didn't realize that I wasn't allowed to join into a discussion that you've already engaged with someone else. I guess I need to brush up on my internet skills a little.
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I understand that, it may be a bigger deal than i'm making it out to be, but they handled this as if they busted him smuggling heroin. that's really my point, not that its not a story, just they way they try to "expose" people.
     

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