Dunleavy or Gooden?

If we get Dunleavy, then Francis and Tmo will fight with him. Since Duke and Maryland are rivals...

 

Prince is a T-Mo clone.

 

Christian Laettner was a big star at Duke, but his NBA career hasn't been all that impressive. What makes you think Dunleavy will be better?

 

That Maryland youngster totally ate Dunleavy alive when Maryland had the ball, just like Prince did when he <i> decided </i> he wanted to score or like I am sure Gooden would thoroughly do to him. Dunleavy does some things very well offensively (not that he shows sings of being a Glen Rice or Reggie Miller caliber shooter or anything), but I don't know hardly any starting 3's or 4's in the NBA I can imagine Dunleavy guarding adequately. I stand by the fact we need another defensive presence and a guy with a great interior game far more than we need a well rounded outside oriented forward week in these departments. Gooden, Borchardt, or even that Maryland youngster look more promising to me in addressing Rocket needs.

 

I agree that the Rockets need defensive players.

But Rudy sure doesn't.

Dunleavy is the type of guy Rudy would **** on himself about.

I still think Dunleavy's a good fit, for the offense.

Defense? Does it really matter? It hasn't mattered to Rudy for the last 7-8 years.

 

You still haven't answered how you think Dunleavy will have a more successful career than Christian Laettner, who arguably was/is a bigger star from Duke.

 

One thing with the Dookie players of old, is that they were not good athletes at all, save for Grant Hill.

Dunleavy is not a world class athlete, however he is definitely a lot more atheltic than the Bobby Hurley's or Laettner's.

Moreover, Laettner was not strong enough to have the post-up game he had in college.

Dunleavy on the other hand, has been succesful with his shooting and ballhanding skills.

Laettner could shoot almost as good as Dunleavy, but he was never able to put the ball on the floor, something that is a must.

BTW, Dunleavy didn't have that bad of a game tonight.

 

Also, how dumb of a question is this?

I can name you about 20 guys who had better college careers than MJ, yet fell miserably below him.

College success doesn't mean that much with NBA success.

Even an Aggie should know this.

 

That's my point. Most of your arguments about "oh, Dunleay's going to be so good; he's going to be an all-star" are based on his college success. Even probability and statistics shows the chances of Dunleavy being successful are slim to none.

 

All I have said is that he highly skilled, and will be a solid SF.

Of course I will cite what he has done in college for a basis of how good he is, factored in with the fact that he still has not really stopped growing.

Tell me what college player who sucks, you think the Rockets should draft?

This whole "argument" is futile when you throw common sense out the window.

 

I remember a lot of people were unpleased when they drafted Robert Horry. Do you think Dunleavy would make a better SF than Horry did?

 

Diff kinds of players.

Horry is/was more athletic, but didn't have many skills.

He did develop a decent jumper before he left Houston.

Dunleavy has 10X's more skills than Horry.

We shall see if Dunleavy can improve his athleticism.

Skill-wise, he is ready.

 

When did this thread become the Dunleavy fan club? I truly feel Gooden would make a better fit for the Rocket's style of play. He runs the floor like a madman and shows great effort on both sides of the court.
And is it just me, or does Dunleavy look like he has downs syndrome? just an observation.

 

Uh, the Rockets style of play is not "running the floor like a madman". Have you seen the Rockets play at all this year? If you have you would know that we never look to fast break. Also, if Gooden was on the Rockets, we would need him to stay back and rebound.

Also, it's "down syndrome". He may look like he has it, but it seems like you're the one actually with it, after reading your first post.

 

Maybe the same reason why we don't run with Francis, Mobley, Griffin, etc?

You guys fail to account that Rudy does not use a player or a teams' strength to its maximum potential.

I agree that Gooden is a better player. But with Rudy's unwillingness to change anything on his offense, he will be a bad fit.

 

Who is more likely to get traded this summer: Mo, KT or Rice?

I see Gooden as a big improvement over a young KT, while Dunleavy is touted as better than a declining Rice.

EG is still developing an inside game.

Mo lacks inside grit and probably always will. (Dunking over Ewing last season doesn't mean a thing)

Cato has questionable handles, but can dunk well.

There is reported interest in KT from other teams, while reports of interest in Rice and Mo are yet to surface.

If a long range SF specialist (Bullard replacement) is needed for 15 minutes a game, he should be available with a late pick rather than a high lottery pick.



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KR, you are going with this argument again. You always pick the best player you can, then worry about system. Further, if Rudy doesn't want to address defense, interior scoring and rebounding pretty soon, we may get a different coaching philosophy via another means in the not so distant future.

I personally think Rudy will address defense, interior scoring and rebounding, he just hasn't found the right player. I also think Gooden would be a great compliment forward to EG. You get the inside scoring of Gooden, the rebounding of Gooden, the developing outside game of EG (maybe he can learn some inside moves from Gooden too), the strait low-post D from Gooden, and the weakside D of Griffin. Sounds like a tough combo to me. Of course I am also all for an offensive and defensive upgrade at the C if Bordchart or another can do this.

I just am really tired of us getting killed on the boards at crunch time and us trying to out shoot every team we face. Even the games we win we typically take more than our fair shair of tough shots, it is just some days we make them more often than the other guys because of our talented guards. Let's get some easy baskets and make it harder for other teams to get easy baskets. How complicated is that?

 

This argument seems pretty insignificant since, in all likelihood, Dunleavy won't declare....he might be cognizant of the fact that teams will lock down on him next year with Boozer and Williams gone....therefore, declaring now, with his potential inflated to its highest level, would assure him of lottery status.....but I still think private workouts would expose his weaknesses, and that he'll stay for his senior year at Duke.

Gooden would be my choice either way. I knew he was going to be special when he took over in a tournament for Kansas as an untouted freshman.

How can you not like a player who says things like "I saw about two guys sweating," Gooden said. "It seems like the NBA is just pickup ball until the playoffs start. They're getting paid, so they're fat and happy."

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He's going to be an irrepressible player. If he can learn to stop gambling on the defensive end, he and Griffin would wreak havoc.

Dunleavy is a nice player...but he's more of a run of the mill gunner touring with the Parade high school all-american team (Duke) than a rare, impact player.......Gooden is the latter.

Gooden is the player in this draft, outside of Jason Williams who is redundant to us. If the Rockets are wise, they will put all their efforts into acquiring him.

 

Scar-I would prefer to have a gunner (Dunleavy) or an athletic freak at SF ( a Marion type).

I just don't think Gooden or Griffin would fare well with defending a SF from the perimeter. Yes, Dunleavy is not a great defender, but he is definitely more comfortable defending the perimeter than Gooden or Griffin.

I don't think you should ignore my point about Rudy finding a way to not use our players to the best of their abilities.

A Dunleavy-type guy would not be misused by Rudy. Rudy loves to have the SF do nothing but nail open 3s.

Gooden is not that good of a 3 pt shooter, yet everyone likes to talk about how he can shoot from downtown.

I can all but guarantee you that one of Gooden or Griffin would be made into spot-up shooters if they were paired together.

Rudy has shown his stubborness (Pippen at SF) before, so I will not assume that Rudy will use his brain.

Surely Rudy would have known that Pippen is not a spot-up shooter right?