McCain Was For Talking To Hamas Before He Was Against It...

I have t echo what invisible fan wrote yesterday in another thread. I'm happpy real issues are being dealt with this election.

 

I thought the main problem was the without conditions clause?

Didn't hitlery say that to meet with the president should say something about either the progress or the intentions of the leader?

 

Already been posted in the Democrats Want to Appease Terrorists thread.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=148526&page=4

Lock it up, mods.

 

Hamas wasn't the entity then, that it is now.

 

because the willingness to talk to them made them stronger

 

I'm not a fan of Hillary Clinton. However, your use of her name is insulting. Being Jewish with ancestors who died in the Holocaust, no one compares to the evil of Hitler. No one. It's just as bad, if not worse, than the Osama/Obama jokes. I'd ask that you think twice before using that name again. It isn't funny.

 

Hamas isn't the government anymore. Well, at least for the West Bank. Fatah is in control of the West Bank while Hamas only controls the Gaza Strip.

 

Since our administration had a big hand in causing that split, is not talking with Hamas an indirect way of not admitting our involvement in it?

 

Do you think they are worse now? That's strange. They have since said that they would recognize Israel's right to exist.

 

link?...I don't think so. Keep fooling yourself.

 

They have said that they will recognize ISrael's right to exist if Israel would go back to the '67 borders

Sometimes hype and propaganda get in the way. Seeing people or groups as ALL good or ALL bad along with the dehumanizing, and demonizing can cause people to not accept that progress can be made. basso's disbelief that groups which use horrible means to accomplish goals might actually have legitimate grievances only goes to show this.

I'm not a supporter of Hamas, and would never agree with their use of terrorism. But that doesn't change the fact that they've said things that go directly in the face of the hype and propaganda against them.

 

That is what they say,...what they do and show speaks louder.

Like I said, they can say things...*sigh*...I listen to what they have done.

 

Mashaal said Hamas would accept a Palestinian state limited to the lands Israel seized in 1967 — that is, the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem. But he said the group would never outright formally recognize Israel.

Taken from the weak link you provided... Seldom is the question asked: How do you recognize a carrot's right to exist if you never outright formally recognize the carrot in question?

 

Does the same hold true for Israel?

For a year recently Israel was left in peace, yet did not ease any of the restrictions they had agreed to.

There is a problem. Neither side is upholding all their agreements. Both sides will have to change that if there is going to be some type of lasting peace, or anything close to it.

 

Like what...link? ...Mashaal said Hamas would never outright formally recognize Israel.

Based on things that go directly in the face of the lasting peace, Israel has no incentive to weaken itself to this group which calls for the destruction of Israel - a group willing to attack civilians (women, and children) as open game...If things were really equal, Israel should have the same rules of open game hunting...

If Hamas cared,...really cared about it's people...It would call for the destruction of itself...

 

I have no love for Hamas at all. And if Israel doesn't want to to agree to ease restrictions, stop settlements and the like in exchange for peace, then they shouldn't make those agreements.

For a year one side lived up to its agreements and the other side didn't. The side that didn't was Israel.

That has to be addressed if there is going to be a real and meaningful peace settlement.

It seems like I'm being unduly harsh on Israel, and light on Hamas. I only do that because of the obvious position that terrorism and attacks on innocent civilians is 100% wrong, and saying so again would be redundant. There has been plenty said about that, but little said about Israel not living up to it's end of bargains that they've agreed to.

 

I call that no link...